• TheEntity@kbin.social
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    1 year ago

    There are no practical considerations to not carry around swastikas either. And yet here we are due to some terrible people claiming them as symbols of hatred. I don’t mind the shape of a swastika, I mind the ideas it conveys.

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      1 year ago

      Is it reasonable to place hijab or niqab in the same category as swastika?

      Is it reasonable to place “Muslim” in the same category as “Nazi”?

      Frankly, I think that idea is extraordinarily offensive.

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          1 year ago

          I actually do not know your answer. I haven’t figured out of you are supporting a ban on Hijab, or arguing against it. The only thing I know from your comment is that a hijab ban is only reasonable if we consider “Muslim” in the same light as “Nazi”. It is only reasonable if “Muslim” is so despicable of a concept that it is deserving of the same level of contempt and oppression that EU leadership has for the Nazis.

          We can certainly leave it at this. I know I find the idea deeply offensive. I can’t speak for you.

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            1 year ago

            I have nothing against headscarves purely as a clothing, but I have a lot against organized religion they are more often than not a part of. As it stands, it’s a symbol tightly connected with systemic oppression and countless crimes against humanity. In this regard I find the two mentioned groups quite similar. It would be nice to decouple the symbol from its current meaning, but I don’t think we have such a luxury.

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                1 year ago

                As I belong to a group outright killing which Islam considers fair game, I don’t find it particularly ironic.

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                  1 year ago

                  He that would make his own liberty secure, must guard even his enemy from oppression; for if he violates this duty, he establishes a precedent that will reach to himself. - Thomas Paine

                  You don’t get to call for systemic oppression and then complain that you are being systematically oppressed. Well, I mean, you can. But I’ll just roll my eyes and quote Paine at you.

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                    1 year ago

                    We can to go one step further: Muslims don’t get to systemically oppress and then complain about being systemically oppressed. I believe we are done here.