why is his ass so big in the last panel
That’s where he keeps all the anger.
He squats ATG and does RDLs.
Banner has CAKE. His ass was the real hulk all along
Isn’t this basically just how World War Hulk started?
That certainly ended well.
Technically yes, by way of Planet Hulk first.
Dat ass tho 🥵
HULK smaaaaaash 😍
Defenders of the Status Quo video from Pop Culture Detective fits this comic nicely
Wrong comment.
What the fuck does this mean?
To a capitalist like Tony, socialist ideas are dangerous
That does not make it any clearer.
The joke is that Tony depends on exploiting lower class, working people. Hulk is suggesting investing in society, the poor. The next panel is Hulk launched into space (which happens for a different reason in the movies), because Tony doesn’t want Hulk to be listened to, because Tony would lose money.
Uhh, I can’t tell if this is a shitpost comment or not, but I’ll take the bait.
Ideas like sharing and improving the situation for the poor are perceived as dangerous to rich people because they would need to treat labor they are exploiting as people. It would cut into their profits and therefore the luxuries they enjoy
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And how the fuck was I supposed to know that the generic cartoon with an obnoxiously large ass was supposed to be the hulk?
It’s the hulk.
He’s wearing the shorts.
Sorry all i see is two baloons under it
Exactly - see, you get it.
I love the idea that you read a comic about how the answer to Hulk being dangerous was to just launch some random, big-assed dude into space and everyone is like “very normal, very obvious. Big green monster? Launch the gyatt!!”
I was mainly confused becauause so-called Tony Stark said “The Hulk” and “You” in the same context. In the same sentence.
Because Bruce banner is the hulk and always has those ripped pants. Bruce Banner is the human that turns into the Hulk.
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Context of Marvel lore, which is common in the US at least, but I don’t know where you’re from, so that’s a valid question
I don’t really get why you’re being down voted just for asking. I don’t get why people are like that.
Lemmy hive mind. And nobody better touch their belovid capitalist superheroes owned by a company that profits billions every year! Except when some comic artist gives “thor” an obnoxious butt.
Do you have 20 minutes? Here is an excellent video
I gotta get to bed but I’ll bookmark it.
Yep, friends dragged me to the iron man 1 movie… As soon as it’s revealed that he kept strippers on his plane, I was certain I didn’t like him, and he was a douche bag.
He’s an Ayn Rand style technocrat sleaze bag. Not a good person, more of just an entitled and immature rich guy. It’s a fantasy comic for immature teenage boys.
[EDIT: ITT, people deny the premise of the comic they just read].
That was very much the intended message of that scene, I’m glad you understood it, but it seems like you ignored the rest of the movie by focusing on that and definitely never watched the sequel where he worked through a lot of that stuff.
Yep, if you give me a shitty person with no empathetic characteristics I’m gonna switch off a little…
… that’s why good writing and good movies ACTIVELY AVOID turning the audience off their characters.
Oh they fixed it in a follow up movie??
That’s your argument that I should have paid attention to the first movie and really liked the hateable unrelatable main character??? That there was another two hour movie I should have committed to?
Surely you see how that’s a bad argument and you’re defending a crappy movie.
Hey you should watch (and like) Terminator 5 because they really fix it up with Terminator 7 and 8.
Nah bro, that’s not a good defense. That’s a shitty argument.
Characters that have vices and go through actual arcs where they change and become better is… like a standard thing. Easy writing and easy movies avoid turning the audience off their characters because it’s difficult to be good at making a movie (as with any discipline, being really good at it is really hard). Obviously, as a writer you want to create interesting characters with tons of depth, something that feels real and flawed, but the difficulty is in not falling too far into ‘this person just sucks’ AND not going too far into ‘this person is infallible’. It’s even worse if you attempt to convince your audience of a flaw that doesn’t exist. Characters that have no flaws, or that lack real flaws and are just being angsty for poor reasons, are (generally, but not always) boring and uninteresting.
You fixating on the fact that Tony gets even better in the second movie from his starting point, when he’s already working through his arc in the first movie, is funny. It’s almost like good sequels are meant to build upon and add depth to their predecessors. Yes, the sequel takes some themes of the first and furthers them, unsurprisingly. No, you don’t need to wait for the sequel to see Tony begin to change.
You can dislike Iron Man if you want for whatever reason you want, but I wouldn’t go around trying to convince others it’s a bad movie, especially with the reasons you provided.
It’s not a convincing change, he goes from superficial and cocky privileged billionaire to cocky privileged billionaire with extra toys.
It’s ugly both times and just seems fake. There’s no gravitas or nuance depicted.
A character (when written well) is easy to identify with because they have human and well detailed moments that almost fall out of their context and into a universal context - a shopping bag breaking, a relative or pet dying, a childhood trauma, a shoe that gets a pebble in it, a shitty boss, being dumped… Having an addiction.
Strippers on jets and being captured by terrorists?
Nah. Like I say, he ends up essentially where he started. Also, I don’t really believe that he got rid of the strippers. Like I don’t really think he stopped viewing women like that. It wouldn’t have surprised me if they were still present at the end of the film. In fact, I think it would have been more honest if they were.
Good writing should not turn audiences against characters?
Not if they the main character and they’re going to have a convincing redemption arc. I just didn’t find it to be a good movie, or a good redemption.
Who are the enemies - people? But they’re “der terrorists”.
Nah, it was a shit movie. Tony Stark remains a shitty character. It’s my opinion, not everyone agrees or likes the same things - deal with it.
Not really sure why you’re coming across so hostile at the end lol, I also don’t like the film. Was just curious about whether you were saying that villains should be sympathetic, but I can see your point about protagonists - altho a convincing redemption arc does require an unlikeable protagonist, or at least a protagonist with unlikeable traits I personally feel.
Anyway, have a good day ✌️
Yeah, you too man, have a good day.
You should know better than arguing against a personality cult. The Marvel studios is one step away from being an organized religion, it just needs to associate the viewers having Thetan awareness of alternate selves across the multiverse to the Sacred Marvel Timelines. PS, don’t bother mentioning the contradictory multiverses that explore and even acknowledge your claims, that will just rile them up.
Your basic argument seems to be that protagonists should not have character development that involves them realizing what a piece of shit they are and then change? How boring.
No, he’s still a cocky privileged shit at the end, I’m saying it wasn’t a convincing arc or character development, and led no where. He was still just “fantasy rich guy” and the message was still just “wouldn’t you like his life!” - the problem is that requires the audience to be VERY immature and stupid to begin with. I never felt a desire to be him or live his life. He seems like a pathetic kind of person really. That’s honestly how I feel about Tony Stark, he seems like one of these rich guys whose not comfortable with himself and uses a cocky attitude as a defense mechanism. I just don’t find that to be a compelling character, nor did I see any real change there.
Well, it is based on a comic and that over-the-top personality is just his deal. You don’t have to like him and it’s completely fine to despise him. Not everybody has to like everything. And you are correct, he remains a cocky shit. But he does have redeeming qualities and ultimately makes a huge sacrifice. So there’s also a point in people liking him.
It’s always fascinating to see someone preemptively argue with what they think others are going to say.
