• KillingTimeItself@lemmy.dbzer0.com
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    18 days ago

    hey vegans, cool fact, plant based diets are vastly more efficient and effective at feeding people than meat based diets.

    Meat consumes plants to exist, most of that energy is lost. Not so much with plants.

    Just start telling people this shit lmao. Who cares about morality when you can pretend to be saving the environment instead.

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        17 days ago

        It is, but many vegans also do really unhelpful things that are closer to trying to berate or shame people into not eating meat and it is obviously not effective.

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          17 days ago

          Out of curiosity, how many people have you convinced to go vegan?

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            17 days ago

            None. Why do I have to convince a single person to criticize an argument I don’t think is convincing?

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              17 days ago

              Well, I guess I’m just not sure why you’re trying to give us advice about something you have zero experience with.

              If I didn’t know better, I’d say that you don’t actually care what kind of approach is more convincing, and you’re just trying to tell us to shut up, or say things in a way that makes us easy to ignore.

              You have no idea what you’re talking about at best, and realistically, you don’t even want us to be successful. So, thank you for your unsolicited advice on which tacts are unhelpful, but, just so you know, I will be promptly tossing it into the trash.

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                17 days ago

                I have a lot of experience with people trying to convince me of things.

                And you are welcome to take the advice I didn’t give to you in the first place and throw it in the trash.

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      17 days ago

      Hey non-vegan, fun fact: No one really cares when you tell them eating plants are more efficient.

      Common responses include “bAc0Nnnnnn!” and “I’m gonna eat two times the amount of meat to make your efforts useless”.

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          16 days ago

          Hi friend, I propose you try an experiment: post a small handful of anonymous comments on the Internet, try to make them benign as possible but casually slip in an acknowledgement that you are vegan. Something along the lines of “God that recipe looks amazing, but I think I might swap out the beef broth for veggie broth as I am vegan” like I said the point of this experiment is to say something completely as benign and inoffensive as possible.

          Once you post sit back and wait for the responses to roll in. You will likely find that while not every time, it is incredibly common for people to send you pictures of bacon, and an abundant of angry responses to the mere offhand mention of the word.

          I sincerely wish it was a straw man fallacy, but it unfortunately is a exceedingly common response to the word.

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        16 days ago

        hey non vegan vegan fun fact, you would be surprised at the sheer amount of consumption and productive the livestock sector of agriculture creates.

        Likewise you could easily just respond to the last line with “you can’t take away my gas stove, i’m just going to burn gas lamps in my home now” and get a little bit eepy and sleepy due to all the buildup of combustion products inside your home.

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      17 days ago

      The animal industry feeds the plants as much as the plants feed the animals. I’m not sure how vegans feel about synthetic fertilizer like miracle grow, but that’s what will have to be used in place of manure if the meat industry goes away.

      Many of the organic crops grown use animal manure to fertilize the plants. I know you can use seaweed and other plants for compost(weeds are already composted back in via tilling, seaweed requires harvesting from the ocean or long distance shipping from farms), as well as cycling crops to prevent nutrient deficiency…

      BUT manure doesn’t just add nutrients. It adds beneficial bacteria that helps keep the soil healthy and make the nutrients bioavailable to plants. It conditions the soil for water retention, and helps break up clay soil and add organic matter to sandy soil.

      Will vegans keep animals just for manure? Or will organic lables on food be less important? Are we going to start scraping the forests for leaves to chop up an add to farm soil? That can’t be good for forests though. I guess I’m just confused about how to maintain large farms without access to large amounts of manure.

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        17 days ago

        The ideal answer is compost, regenerative agriculture, and (better treated) human-sources waste.

        Organic crop yields will almost certainly reduce a bit without animal waste fertilizer, but that is fine since crop consumption will fall by a greater amount due to not needing to feed a bunch of extra animals.

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        16 days ago

        an interesting idea, but anything that decays and “composts” can be used as a fertilizer so.

        This includes things like organic scraps, you don’t just have to use animal shit. Although it’s a pretty good one if you have access to it.

        I think personally, we should move to a more decentralized food production system, to help alleviate some of the costs of industrial agriculture, which are pretty heavy.