Violent offenders and sex offenders were reportedly among the Afghans sent back Friday, including a man who took part in the gang rape of a 14-year-old girl.
Why yes not all of them gang raped a little girl but all of them are convicted felons. If that plane were to crash the only things of value lost would be the lives of the flight personnel.
I struggle to see in which state of law, under which declaration of human rights or under which democratic constitution the notion “convicted felon = life has no value” is remotely acceptable.
I am not a court of law. I am not asking for them to be killed or even harmed beyond their sentences either, this is purely a moral assessment. The convicts aren’t just petty thieves, all hardened criminals or worse. I don’t have to want them to die, but I also don’t have to care if they do.
Would you lose any sleep if either of them died for any reason?
The notion, that a human life has “no value” is contradictory to all established standards of ethics and morality. And established usually means for them to be written down in such a way.
Also we don’t know which crimes they were convicted of exactly. And the involved German states made a point of hiding it.
Would you lose any sleep if either of them died for any reason?
By that metric almost all human lifes would be worthless, because plenty of “good” people are victims of murder or other crimes every day and you can still sleep.
Just a small correction: the involved German states did not “make it a point to hide” the individual crimes from being published. Instead this happens because we in Germany place a comparably very high value on privacy. And yes, even criminal scum gets theirs protected by neither naming them nor their crimes. Even convicted criminals’ names are never published on principle unless they have become public figures through other means anyway.
And the crimes were not detailed because knowing the specific combinations of crimes and sentences would make it too easy to identify them, given there’s only 28 of them.
The idea of protecting privacy so much is that by having completed their sentences, they should have the same opportunity as anyone else in life and not be “tarnished” forever.
I think being dragged to the first plane flying to Afghanistan since years is much more of a “tarnishing” and much easier identifiable. And as we see, the speculations are running wild, as to what the people might have been doing. You can see it in your own comment referring to them as “criminal scum”. So it is working as intended. By hiding the crimes, the people hearing/reading about it, have their imaginations create an image of some particularly “scummy” people, who must have committed the most heinous crimes, without knowing if that is actually the case. That is also why they gave one example of one case to create the strong framing.
It was announced that they all committed “schwere Verbrechen”. That means it’s all felonies and capital crimes. I do characterize people who commit capital crimes as scum, because those are by definition never small misconducts or accidents. Felony convictions for capital crimes need proof of malicious intent. So there really is incredibly little room left to feel bad for the criminals.
The notion, that a human life has “no value” is contradictory to all established standards of ethics and morality.
Would you have lost sleep if any of the assassination attempts on Hitler had succeeded? Did you break out in tears, felt bereaved, when he shot himself, proclaiming that his people betrayed him?
You can moral high-horse all you want. At some point you just don’t care whether someone makes it. That doesn’t mean that you want them dead – it means that they’re too much of an assclown to care about: Because either you stop caring about them, or you become a doormat for them. They will exploit and monopolise your empathy, making you lose the capacity to care about and aid people who are, indeed, more worthy of your empathy and support than fucking Hitler.
VOA
Germany repatriates first group of Afghan refugees since Taliban takeover
https://www.voanews.com/a/germany-repatriates-first-group-of-afghan-refugees-since-taliban-takeover-/7765978.html
among doesn’t mean they did only that
True, and I don’t know how to get their names and stories, if we could.
Why yes not all of them gang raped a little girl but all of them are convicted felons. If that plane were to crash the only things of value lost would be the lives of the flight personnel.
I struggle to see in which state of law, under which declaration of human rights or under which democratic constitution the notion “convicted felon = life has no value” is remotely acceptable.
I am not a court of law. I am not asking for them to be killed or even harmed beyond their sentences either, this is purely a moral assessment. The convicts aren’t just petty thieves, all hardened criminals or worse. I don’t have to want them to die, but I also don’t have to care if they do.
Would you lose any sleep if either of them died for any reason?
The notion, that a human life has “no value” is contradictory to all established standards of ethics and morality. And established usually means for them to be written down in such a way.
Also we don’t know which crimes they were convicted of exactly. And the involved German states made a point of hiding it.
By that metric almost all human lifes would be worthless, because plenty of “good” people are victims of murder or other crimes every day and you can still sleep.
Just a small correction: the involved German states did not “make it a point to hide” the individual crimes from being published. Instead this happens because we in Germany place a comparably very high value on privacy. And yes, even criminal scum gets theirs protected by neither naming them nor their crimes. Even convicted criminals’ names are never published on principle unless they have become public figures through other means anyway.
And the crimes were not detailed because knowing the specific combinations of crimes and sentences would make it too easy to identify them, given there’s only 28 of them.
The idea of protecting privacy so much is that by having completed their sentences, they should have the same opportunity as anyone else in life and not be “tarnished” forever.
I think being dragged to the first plane flying to Afghanistan since years is much more of a “tarnishing” and much easier identifiable. And as we see, the speculations are running wild, as to what the people might have been doing. You can see it in your own comment referring to them as “criminal scum”. So it is working as intended. By hiding the crimes, the people hearing/reading about it, have their imaginations create an image of some particularly “scummy” people, who must have committed the most heinous crimes, without knowing if that is actually the case. That is also why they gave one example of one case to create the strong framing.
It was announced that they all committed “schwere Verbrechen”. That means it’s all felonies and capital crimes. I do characterize people who commit capital crimes as scum, because those are by definition never small misconducts or accidents. Felony convictions for capital crimes need proof of malicious intent. So there really is incredibly little room left to feel bad for the criminals.
Would you have lost sleep if any of the assassination attempts on Hitler had succeeded? Did you break out in tears, felt bereaved, when he shot himself, proclaiming that his people betrayed him?
You can moral high-horse all you want. At some point you just don’t care whether someone makes it. That doesn’t mean that you want them dead – it means that they’re too much of an assclown to care about: Because either you stop caring about them, or you become a doormat for them. They will exploit and monopolise your empathy, making you lose the capacity to care about and aid people who are, indeed, more worthy of your empathy and support than fucking Hitler.
“Nazi lives don’t matter.”
“Nazis should follow their leader” (i.e. kill themselves).