• Carrolade@lemmy.world
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    2 months ago

    I already said, progressives seek to reform the system. That means joining it, and fixing it steadily from within. You can see the differences between this and a communist revolution, yes? It is not a complete change to an entirely different system, it is evolution of the system.

    You may see these tweaks as too minor, and that’s fine. But that just means you are not a progressive. Which makes complete sense since you’ve said you’re a communist. If all progressives were communists, we wouldn’t need two separate words, right? But we have two words, for the two different things.

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      2 months ago

      I already said, progressives seek to reform the system. That means joining it, and fixing it steadily from within. You can see the differences between this and a communist revolution, yes? It is not a complete change to an entirely different system, it is evolution of the system.

      She’s not evolving the system, this isn’t reform, this is continued liberalism.

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        2 months ago

        You do not need to switch to a completely different system in order to qualify for the words “evolve” or “reform”. That’s just not what those words mean in the English language. Words that would apply better would be “overhaul” “replacement” or “revolution”.

        If someone wants to abandon all liberalism instead of changing the type of liberalism while keeping liberalism, they are not progressive.

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          2 months ago

          She isn’t “reforming” the system, she’s continuing it. That’s it.

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            2 months ago

            Here is the definition of the word “reform”:

            make changes in (something, typically a social, political, or economic institution or practice) in order to improve it. “an opportunity to reform and restructure an antiquated schooling model”

            This is different from what you want. It’s okay for you to not want reform. You are not a reformist, not a progressive, you are something else. We progressives are your opponents though, we want liberalism. Progressives do not want to eliminate capitalism.

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                2 months ago

                Again, reform keeps the system, it just evolves it. If you are changing the system, you are not a reformist. Not a progressive. Something else.

                You know how in biological evolution animals slowly change into other animals with lots of small steps? They don’t just suddenly turn into something else completely? That.

                You don’t need all change right now or you’re not changing. The world can have small changes too, and these are still changes.

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                  2 months ago

                  No, reform changes the system through legislative changes, not by keeping the course and tweaking.

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                    2 months ago

                    Yes, exactly. Changes within the system. Not total changes from one system to another.

                    Harris has a progressive voting record, of making changes within our system towards a certain direction. Like that criminal justice reform I mentioned earlier from her lawyer days. That is a difference, a change, from how we did things previously, when nonviolent offenders could not necessarily get out jail or get their records expunged.

                    You may not think it goes far enough, but that just reflects your personal desires. It doesn’t change the basic definitions of words in the English language.