Stalin was often contested, and did not have the ability to make anything happen
“Did not have the ability to make anything happen” would make him seem very powerless.
The CIA is directly contesting your mythology here
The majority of evidence points towards Stalin not being an absolute and all-powerful demigod dictator, but a head of state in a large system with lots of moving parts that frequently went against what he personally wanted.
My mythology of just the normal historians’ view on Stalin, as in, him being a dictator.
“Did not have the ability to make anything happen” would make him seem very powerless.
The stress is meant to be placed on anything, ie he couldn’t snap his fingers and magically have his will be done. He played a large role in directing policy, especially during WWII.
My mythology of just the normal historians’ view on Stalin, as in, him being a dictator.
What constitutes a “Normal Historian?” The CIA didn’t agree with you and neither does historical evidence.
I think it would’ve been clearer to say “everything” than “anything”. Because now it just sounds like he couldn’t do anything
What constitutes a “Normal Historian?”
Just historians who’ve looked into Stalin, Soviet Union, the sort. Historians meaning people who’ve studied history.
The CIA didn’t agree with you
It’s one review from CIA. Do we know anything else from this document, its significance, whether it was the consensus in the CIA, any of this sort of things?
I think it would’ve been clearer to say “everything” than “anything”. Because now it just sounds like he couldn’t do anything
Fair and valid point.
Just historians who’ve looked into Stalin, Soviet Union, the sort. Historians meaning people who’ve studied history.
There are numerous pro-Soviet historians as well, you’re not referencing anything, just calling upon the mystical and undefined idea of “Normal Historians.”
It’s one review from CIA. Do we know anything else from this document, its significance, whether it was the consensus in the CIA, any of this sort of things?
It’s one document, and yet more than anything you’ve provided beyond vibes. Do you have any actual evidence?
There are numerous pro-Soviet historians as well, you’re not referencing anything, just calling upon the mystical and undefined idea of “Normal Historians.”
I’m not really talking about pro or anti-Soviet historians. just the majority of the prominent ones who have studied the subject. Preferably you’d want to trust historians who avoid thinking of historical stuff as some pro-anti thing as you’ve framed it.
It’s one document, and yet more than anything you’ve provided beyond vibes. Do you have any actual evidence?
Sources for the Wikipedia article are linked with as [1] that. I can paste them here if that’s what you want, for easier access I guess.
I’m not really talking about pro or anti-Soviet historians. just the majority of the prominent ones who have studied the subject. Preferably you’d want to trust historians who avoid thinking of historical stuff as some pro-anti thing as you’ve framed it.
Name one.
Sources for the Wikipedia article are linked with as [1] that. I can paste them here if that’s what you want, for easier access I guess.
Are you saying you stand by all sources listed in the Wikipedia articles, even the ones that have been contested or outright disproven?
As it relates to the conversation, that Stalin was a dictator. Khlevniuk’s book is literally titled Stalin: New Biography of a Dictator lol. So they certainly believe that the requirements for calling him a dictator has been sufficiently fulfilled. Both “Stalin: New Biography of a Dictator” and “Stalin and Stalinism” are available to read, if you catch my drift, but if you want me to recite parts from them for you, you’ll have to wait for me to get home.
“Did not have the ability to make anything happen” would make him seem very powerless.
My mythology of just the normal historians’ view on Stalin, as in, him being a dictator.
The stress is meant to be placed on anything, ie he couldn’t snap his fingers and magically have his will be done. He played a large role in directing policy, especially during WWII.
What constitutes a “Normal Historian?” The CIA didn’t agree with you and neither does historical evidence.
I think it would’ve been clearer to say “everything” than “anything”. Because now it just sounds like he couldn’t do anything
Just historians who’ve looked into Stalin, Soviet Union, the sort. Historians meaning people who’ve studied history.
It’s one review from CIA. Do we know anything else from this document, its significance, whether it was the consensus in the CIA, any of this sort of things?
Historians seem to disagree.
Fair and valid point.
There are numerous pro-Soviet historians as well, you’re not referencing anything, just calling upon the mystical and undefined idea of “Normal Historians.”
It’s one document, and yet more than anything you’ve provided beyond vibes. Do you have any actual evidence?
I’m not really talking about pro or anti-Soviet historians. just the majority of the prominent ones who have studied the subject. Preferably you’d want to trust historians who avoid thinking of historical stuff as some pro-anti thing as you’ve framed it.
Sources for the Wikipedia article are linked with as [1] that. I can paste them here if that’s what you want, for easier access I guess.
Name one.
Are you saying you stand by all sources listed in the Wikipedia articles, even the ones that have been contested or outright disproven?
For the dictator claim? Martin McCauley is cited on Wikipedia. Oleg Khlevniuk too. Some others, but you asked for one.
I was just noting that the sources for the claims are there. Wikipedia is just a convenient thing to refer to, as you know.
Okay, and what did these historians explicitly claim? Did they say Stalin alone controlled the entirety of the USSR uncontestably?
As it relates to the conversation, that Stalin was a dictator. Khlevniuk’s book is literally titled Stalin: New Biography of a Dictator lol. So they certainly believe that the requirements for calling him a dictator has been sufficiently fulfilled. Both “Stalin: New Biography of a Dictator” and “Stalin and Stalinism” are available to read, if you catch my drift, but if you want me to recite parts from them for you, you’ll have to wait for me to get home.