This is why I don’t fuck guys who “don’t pay attention to politics”.
That means one thing, and it isn’t that they are blissfully unaware of the day to day happenings in their town, county, state, region, country, or planet of residence.
Eh, sometimes it means another thing, namely that they know their conservatism is off-putting to most women and they’re lying to get you into bed.
That’s exactly what OP is saying
I was responding to the previous comment, not OP. OP was saying conservatives get upset when people won’t sleep with them because they’re conservative. From the text of the comment I responded to, it looks like the person is saying “moderates” just don’t care about anyone but themselves. I’m adding that often the people the actual OP is talking about pretend to be the moderates the previous commenter is discussing.
The person you responded to initially is talking about conservatives hiding that about themselves lol. That’s why they said it the way they did.
It depends on why they don’t pay attention to politics. Personally, I kind of have to go ostrich-mode and bury my head in the sand when school gets stressful because I just don’t have the mental bandwidth to deal with both. I’m not going to judge someone too harshly for protecting their mental health from the absolute shitshow that is the American political landscape.
PS: This is not to say that any degree of modern conservatism is okay. Bigots can go fuck themselves and I’d be out punching Nazis and being a medic at protests if it didn’t jeopardize my future so significantly. (Felony convictions make it really hard to get a medical license and I have to pay off my student loans somehow. Besides, I’ll be in a much better position to make a meaningful difference as a physician than as a heavily indebted student or EMT.)
this. you can pay little attention to politics without being a “centrist” who isn’t actually a centrist. news can be depressing as fuck, i’m hella glad i strongly limited my consumption of them, but that doesn’t mean i’m gonna start both-sidesing shit. (with the exception of tankies vs nazis, because those two are in fact the same authoritarian, anti-west, bigoted crap under different flags that love to larp against each other)
That’s what centrism is supposed to mean anyway. You don’t have to go into the whole both-sides-are-bad nonsense to be a centrist.
This is my go-to response whenever anyone wants to start talking politics with me. Mainly because whenever someone wants to talk politics it’s usually not because they’re liberal and I really hate talking with people who just want to prove that their opinion is the right one.
I’ll admit I’ve used it for similar reasons. What I really should be saying is “I’m sorry, but I don’t want to talk about this right now.” Maybe I’ll even be brave and say “I don’t want to talk about this with you.” but it’s rare for me to find a person I don’t want to hear at all from. That usually comes up because they’ve already made their arguments, and I’ve already accepted or rebuttal the points to my own satisfaction. At that point they’ll talk themselves into circles looking for justification for parts of their stance, but unable to articulate it themselves. I’ll listen to anyone’s views at least once, given I’m in the right mindset, but I still wouldn’t date someone I don’t morally agree with. Life partners should have higher standards than conversation partners, and aligning values is a bare minimum for relationships.
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In my experience, that’s the case 100% of the time. I’ve never once in my 30+ years heard a liberal say the same thing. It’s always
NazisRepublicans trying to deflect and sweep their shitty views under the rug because they think it’s some kind of trump card to get around their awful views and have civilized society allow them back in so they can spread their hate.I mean I was apolitical for most of my life, honestly. Barely followed news at all. It’s just depressing.
No offense, but that’s exactly why we’re currently fighting fascism in America: apathetic folks like you that don’t care. Do you vote ever?
you know just like the “i’m apolitical” copout, there’s a similar copout along the lines of “well i voted (and didn’t do shit all other than that), so my hands are clean”.
Voting is the bare minimum, but if all you do is vote, you’re still a much better person than folks that don’t vote. If you get involved beyond that, even better. But absolutely nothing beyond just fucking voting is required to get involved, but most of the young folks still don’t vote.
I’m not a citizen: I can’t vote.
So why are we having this discussion?
You started the voting thing. I merely said I was apolitical.
I think there’s a difference between someone who doesn’t pay attention to politics and someone who just doesn’t want to argue politics. Someone who doesn’t pay attention to politics at all is too sheltered and doesn’t understand the issues that have been going on and affect a lot of people, so a lot of those people don’t want to date someone who won’t be able to understand something vital to them and that has an effect on their lives. Especially since someone who hasn’t been paying attention likely doesn’t have a lot of the same principles and beliefs.
I bartend. I was working on Easter, and one of our semi regulars came in with a guy that she was obviously on a drink date with. They’d been at at least one other bar before they came in; they’d had a couple drinks, but weren’t past maybe tipsy.
At one point, she mentioned that the reason the last place they’d been to was slow was likely that it happened to be Easter. At the mention of the word the guy interrupted with,
“I REFUSE TO TALK ABOUT ANY POLITICS OR RELIGION!!”
To me this was a sign that this dude cared very much about religion and politics, but just like how scientologists don’t drop the Xenu shit on you right away, he wanted to wait until any prospective partner was in too deep before revealing how abhorrent his views are.
That regular isn’t my favorite person, but I was proud of her for pretty much ending that date after that.
Yeah, that’s another one of those.
I’ve never had anyone who said politics and religion aren’t good conversation actually be worth having those conversations with. Everyone else from every other walk of life has no problem having a nuanced conversation about that stuff, it’s only ever WASPs that get all indignant and force everyone else to stop talking.
One of my coworkers had asked something about trans people and bathrooms, and I started to say my piece, but mid sentence the owner comes back like “under no circumstances are you allowed to have this conversation here”.
Oh yeah, so threatening to say that I don’t care who is in what bathroom if they don’t do anything that violates another guests bodily autonomy.
So controversial and brave.
We’ve spent plenty of time talking about the different racist inspired restaurants in the area and the deplorable dog whistle specials they offer, never cared about that offending anyone.
The restaurant in question was the MoonCricket Grille, and they were offering $0.49 Bud lights after the outrage about them in honor of the 49 who died at the Pulse nightclub.
I hate this place…
That’s literally a bar rule. Lol. Alcohol makes people talk like they are on the internet in real life. Doesn’t make sense to discuss nuance when you’ve been drinking especially with the touchy subjects.
Alcohol makes people talk like they are on the internet in real life
fucking lol
Alcohol makes people talk like they are on the internet in real life
fucking lol
This 100%. To not care about politics means to not care about how the entity with a monopoly on violence wants to take your money against your will and allocate it. If you don’t care about that, then you and I are not going to get along.
wants to take your money against your will and allocate it
Speak for yourself
I pay my taxes with a smile because they mean my neighbours won’t ever be likely show up at my door to steal from me when they don’t have enough to eat. And that my brother can have his cancer treatments without paying the insane costs associated with those treatments. And that my mother can enjoy her garden for the last 20 years of her life instead of working until she croaks.
Or they’re pretending to be blissfully unaware, but secretly hate you for being an independent woman.
Eh, not necessarily. It could mean a variety of different things
Good lord the replies to this are sad. Believe it or not it’s a perfectly reasonable expectation to only want to date someone whose core beliefs align with yours (and, y’know, actually respects your rights as an independent human being.)
“in looking for a woman who will respect my core beliefs as an independent human being, which include not treating her like an independent human being”
As someone with a right-wing father and a left-wing mother: for fuck’s sake date people with your same beliefs. Deep disagreement on something like that is NOT something you can build a trustful relationship upon.
This is what so many of them think. If they really don’t have a problem dating someone left leaning it either means they get off on tearing down strong women or don’t really know what they believe and are still just parroting mommy and daddy’s beliefs.
There are a lot of trad women looking for these dudes, it’s just that these dudes are often… rather undesirable for other reasons
It’s fine to have dating preferences. The issue is when people who are just calling anyone who is conservative leaning terrible. If you don’t agree with someone’s political ideology, you should just respectfully disagree, not call them a terrible person.
Also, calling people evil for their options is a terribly way to convince them to change, it just makes them get really defensive. If you want to convince someone to change opinion, you need to have a respectful, insightful discussion.
Call that the free market economy biiiaaatch
Conservatives: “The free market is superior! Deal with it!”
Conservatives when the free market decides against them: “THIS IS LITERALLY SOCIALISM”
People boycotting businesses as is their right in the free market: “CANCEL CULTURE!”
to be fair, the idea of voting with money still sucks because it gives some people a lot more votes than others, but when wannabe future billionaire conservatives can’t even get presently rich people to play along with their bootlicker bullshit that’s just funny
Not when they’re the ones boycotting businesses. “go woke go broke!!” is fantastic, according to the same people who are obsessed with opposing “cancel culture”.
Big My Pillow guy energy.
Just because it’s you agree with the right to boycott a business, doesn’t mean you can’t disagree with certain boycotts.
Just like how agreeing with the right to free speech doesn’t mean you agree with the speech of every single person.
Conservatives hate the free market when it tells them that they’re free to go take a long walk off a short pier.
The last conservative I matched with was immediately bragging about being unvaccinated, was in his late 30’s, openly religious, desperate for kids.
If you’re openly conservative, you’re baring your soul about women’s rights, and if women don’t want to sleep with you as a result, you made your damn bed.
Some women dig that. Not every woman believes the same things you do. There’s even a thing called the quiver full movement where people like the duggars deliberately have as many children as possible to outnumber people like you.
Most women (and men) believe the things their parents teach them.
The thing with conservatives is they want to 1) prevent any other information flowing to these women, religious indoctrination only 2) get these women pregnant young so that they don’t have a chance to gain independence
So yeah in those cases you have grown women who believe these things. The Duggars are an example of the ‘quiver full’ movement in action. Letting their son abuse their daughters young so that they get used to it and defend it as normal.
My parents used to fearmonger the everliving shit about LGBTQ+ and abortion, and as a small kid I ate that shit up. But then at some point, my brain probably developed some modicum of critical thinking and thought, wait a minute, why in the world does it matter to me what people do with their own lives, if it doesn’t even affect me or anyone else for that matter? Why are my parents, along with every single bigot, incorrectly think that they are entitled to weigh in on someone else’s life decisions?
Every single argument from them boils down to “because religion”, but as someone who was raised Catholic (agnostic now), one of the things that they taught me was quite literally to “love thy neighbour” and to not shit on people only because of their beliefs. So why are the very same people who taught me that now doing the opposite of what they preach, trying (and fortunately failing) to shit on other people just because they don’t have the same beliefs? “My religion says it’s not OK,” well they don’t believe in the same things you do and could not give less of a shit about what you believe, so why not just leave them alone and let them live their life? It was around that point that I realised they were just hypocrites, and absolutely nothing more.
I grew up extremely conservative christian (homeschooled, no tv, women don’t work outside the house) and was taught that anything other than married man and women was evil.
The thing is we were also taught critical thinking and logic albeit it was to compare “new teachings” against the bible. My parents always said since the bible is true [sic] it would stand up to any scrutiny. They thankfully never learned the lesson most christian leaders have that Christianity needs to be mandated for it to be effective. Obviously the bible did not hold up to logic and I’m now a proud atheist and in the process of healing.
Man, that’s worse than what I experienced growing up. Out of curiosity, why did you decide to go with atheism? Personally, I’m agnostic (I think that’s the right term) because I see no compelling evidence or argument for either side, and I am of the opinion that a human’s finite brain could never even come close to figuring out the answer. And no, the Bible isn’t evidence, not one that’s even close to being the slightest bit rigorous at least. To me, it’s as much evidence for Christianity as the Harry Potter books are for wizardry.
You’re confusing belief with knowledge.
If you don’t believe in a deity, guess what, you’re an atheist regardless of whether you know for sure a god doesn’t exist or not.
Most atheists are agnostic because it’s not on us to prove that a god doesn’t exist, no one should ever take the burden of proving a negative.
Huh, never thought of it that way, thanks for that. If you’ll excuse me, I have quite a lot of rethinking to do.
That’s not entirely true, most definitions of Agnosticism frame it as a different position from Atheism.
Plus, you don’t have to prove something to believe it, if you’re convinced that there is no god you can define yourself an Atheist, that’s it. Agnostics are just “on the fence” and have no horse in the race.
The journey went: disappointment with God, angry at God, apathetic, agnostic, then atheist. I considered myself agnostic for a long time but it always felt a bit like a compromise for me, like it’s more palatable to think “Oh, I just don’t know one way or another” over seeing god as a stopgap for holes in knowledge.
Rather than the approach of attributing less and less to the divine over time, I decided to attribute nothing and go from there.
Saying that one can’t disprove god’s existence feels the same to me as saying a watermelon is blue inside until it’s observed.
Thanks for your perspective!
Regarding your last point, we only know that the flesh of a watermelon is indeed red because we’ve seen it before. If, say, an alien would suddenly come to Earth and be presented with a watermelon, they would not know what colour it is without cracking it open or otherwise probing it with various tools (granted of course that they perceive colour like we do)
Attributing nothing to the divine is also the way I go about it. We have scientific explanations for most phenomenon we see on a daily basis, and for those we do not, I do think we will find scientific explanations for them one day. None of the mysteries of the universe that would later be answered have been caused by the supernatural, so I have no reason to think it will be different.
However, I do think that a lack of observable trace of a “divine being” is not necessarily an evidence of nonexistence. To me, my agnosticism is not a form of compromise, but a recognition of the limitations of humans, as well as an acknowledgement relative inconsequence the question of whether a divine being exists or not is to the universe and to my own life. If nothing in my life or in the known universe can be attributed to the divine, why does it matter whether it exists or not? If an extraterrestrial exists in some distant galaxy, surely it would not matter to them whether I exist or not. That’s the way I think of the idea of divine beings.
Anyways, it’s kind of great to be able to ramble about this on the internet, most of the people I know are religious and unfortunately would not be very tolerant of this type of viewpoint.
You seem to have confused Conservative politics with Fundamentalist Christianity. They are separate ideals but hard to find separately currently. Somebody can be a fiscal conservative and not buy into the social fundamental conservative position.
Check again, conservatives are no longer fiscally conservative and have not been for several decades. That facade has entirely fallen away to reveal the real:
- fundamentalist christians
- racists
- filthy rich people who want tax cuts for the rich (do not confuse this with being fiscally conservative)
They are fiscally conservative… but only for any government programs that aren’t tax cuts for the rich.
What do you think fiscally conservative means?
it should result in reducing the deficit - which republicans don’t and democrats do.
all the GOP does is cut the taxes of rich and raise the taxes of the middle class, while running up the deficit overall.
That is exactly what fiscally conservative means. That’s 100% what I expect when a politician has conservative economic views. Conservatives value keeping the status quo, and the status quo is capitalism, with the rich getting richer.
Being conservative ≠ liking the GOP
Being conservative = tangentially supporting GOP policies
Not every GOP policy is bad. Do you think stuff like freedom of speech is a bad thing?
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This be libertarian. Me no bother you. You no take my money/freedom/et al.
Democrats and republicans are all corporate national socialists who want to take all your shit and trick you into liking it.
That has nothing to do with conservatism. Just because some people who are conservative said that, doesn’t mean that that’s a part of it. Please attack specific ideas, not groups of people.
Conservatism is a set of ideas
That’s been Catholicism’s playbook since day one. There’s a reason they’re so against any kind of sex that doesn’t lead to procreation.
Course, it also used to be rooted in the fact that medicine was trash for a long time, and a lot of kids died, so you’d want to have as many as you could to give some a shot at living a full life. But that’s not the case anymore, so yeah, the only reasons to have as many kids as possible is as you say, to outnumber the sane people, and to keep the working class populated, so we inch closer and closer to Idiocracy becoming reality every day.
But hey, look at those shareholder’s profits!
Well, that and replacement theory.
They think it’s up to them to keep the skin as white as possible.
I don’t know why. I’m about as pale as you can get, and it is by far the WEAKEST of skin colors. We literally cannot go out in the sun without protection.
Sure, everyone should wear sunscreen, but I can get burnt walking out to the mailbox!
Ah. Sounds like you have fine genes my friend. The best genes.
Have you considered endless breeding?
Not only is it a lot of fun, but you can pass on those great genes you got there.
For real though, I have a red headed daughter and one that should have been a redhead. She got everything but the hair. The freckles, the pale blue eyes. A beam of light comes through the window and she starts smoking. Someone turns on a 100W lightbulb and she blisters. I get what you’re saying.
Accidentally deleted but yeah I’ve noticed an influx of conservative men matching with me despite clear indications that I’m liberal. Unfortunately I do know these sorts of women exist, but maybe conservative men should seek them out instead of someone clearly liberal who doesn’t want to make their body a baby factory.
They like the idea of dating a liberal woman so they can control her.
"Hey girl, why don’t you take those shoes off and come into the kitchen?
Oh yeah, you like those historic gender roles don’t you… 😘"
That’s hot.
You know what else is hot? This water for the dishes.
Lol I’m sure that’s a thing, but for me and most women I know, that’s a red flag.
Well, yeah. I think that’s the whole topic here.
Alternately, because she’s attractive and some guys are idiots. For some guys “looks” overrides everything else.
It’s unreal how many guy will date a flat out manipulative, immature, mean asshole because she’s “hot”. Compared to that a decent human being is a catch, regardless of if they’re fundamentally incompatible.
Or maybe because they don’t have such extreme opinions like everyone here seems to think.
I think some of them fetishize the idea of “turning them conservative” with their dick or some shit
If there’s women who dig it, that’s their bag, but I’ve absolutely experienced an influx of conservative dudes trying to match with me and I’m openly liberal. Wild that these women exist but the dudes don’t seem as into them.
Because these guys don’t want the full trade off of gender roles the conservatives promote. Many conservative women expect dating with the intent of marriage and at some point having the husband be able to support a household where the wife stays home and takes care of the house and children.
You say that kind of like it sounds like a good strategy to you? Sounds like a fucked way to think about society to me
Strategy? No. I’m just saying how it is in reality. Not everybody in real life conforms to the internet’s zeitgeist.
…that you’ll be sleeping alone in, lol.
Exactly
I almost dated a conservative but covid saved me.
The moment it hit, her conservative powers went omega level and I was able to dodge a bullet by wanting to vaccinate early
Well, just you wait. You be dead by CHRISTmas 2021. That wat you get to.
Either you be dead or you be turned too zombie to be controlled by Fow-chi Chinese army.
This hole thing poplation control. Wat wuflu dont kill, vaxine will. Or zombie like I said.
Mark my world. Ded by CHRISTmas 2021. Mark my world
Soros. Hoosane Obama. Fow-chi. Biden. CNN. That ur god.
She dodge the bullet.
:p
The really funny part was she was pretty normal until MAGA and the alt right radicalized her via lies
She turned into that shockingly quickly
My best guess is that something was wrong with her that she hid deep inside until it was let out
My best guess is that something was wrong with her that she hid deep inside until it was let out
Probably. Reminds me a lot of the guys back in HS who would be super women positive and “feminist” when girls were in earshot, but say horrendously awful shit when it was “just us guys”(I wasn’t friends with them either, they just thought it was ok to say around guys in general), up to and including rape apologia in at least one instance. All asshole trump supporters now last I knew.
And they wondered why 90% of my friends in HS were girls.
They call it “locker room talk”, I call it “being a complete asshole but too cowardly to do so publicly”
Mark my world got me. I’m picturing her squatting near some building to mark it as hers.
R Kelly style
Why would anyone date a conservative, it isn’t safe?
Even if it was safe like ew you don’t believe in equality that’s just unattractive af
Your username indicates you don’t do much dating of men… (Not that it invalidates your point)
Women can be conservatives too. Still gross.
Margorie Taylor Green fits in here. shudders
It’s a long-lost heteronym: Woe, man.
There are absolutely conservative queer women, they’re very much not the sort of person you want to date
Yeah. Regardless of what actions they personally take, they do advocate and vote for your death.
Imagine dating someone whose beliefs actively belittle you.
Well, Republicans tend to vote for policies that go against their own self-interests if they get boogeyman’s enough by Tucker and Donald, so it wouldn’t surprise me that there exist Conservative women who date against their own self interests.
Being ok with being conservative is akin to being ok with being stupid. It’s basically an admission of idiocy.
No. Stupid isn’t something you choose. As an adult, bigotry absolutely is.
Ignorance is a choice, too. I’ve met so many people who are proud of being ignorant. I once met a woman who was in her mid 30s who was explicitly against learning new things because…reasons?
Ignorance can be something you choose, but only if you’re actually smart enough to make the choice.
Stupid is as stupid does.
Gonna have to agree to disagree on that one, barring very different understandings of the word “stupidity.” Cognition and action are different things, and pretending they’re the same doesn’t improve the efficacy of interventions.
The difference between ignorance and proud ignorance is ginormous.
Seriously, conservatives want to pretend like we’re all just regular people so what do our political views matter right? But if The last 8 years have taught me anything it is that every conservative is some level of a bigot, even if you can get along with them, purely based off their political goals. Sorry, you can’t just work your ass off to deny people rights and sequester people you don’t like, then call it a “political view”.
Worse than stupid. Malicious. Harmful. Hateful.
ngl, last time some conservative started flirting with me she got pissed of when i said i wasnt interested because they were a tory flag shagger, and then she called me a slur because im queer
Fuck 'em. No wait, don’t.
It’s like how kids throw meaningless insults when throwing a tantrum because they know they can’t win in a proper argument.
Wow I did not expect so many right wingers on blahaj zone. Feels weird
“Why won’t women, objects meant to feed and pleasure me, give me the time of day like this super old-ass book I had read and interpreted to me by someone who is likely a child molester said they should? Do they worship Saytahn?”
The hinges on the meat chasm closed for all conservatives on 24 June 2022.
Please m’lady, just a crumb of pussy?
What happened that day?
24 June 2022
Supreme Court overturned Roe v. Wade
Jesus… It’s been a year already?
Roe v. Wade overturned.
Why does the choice of a few select people mean that a huge number of people are now terrible?
When you don’t actively kick out the terrible people in your group, you are making a choice to say “this is something I am willing to tolerate.” So I’ll ask, if you are a conservative and recognize that there are bad actors in your conservative party, are you calling out those bad actors? Or just putting your head down and joining rank and file because your party told you to?
Also, it’s basically impossible to get rid of supreme court justices, and for good reason. It allows them to rule on cases based only on what they legitimately believe to be the correct decision. The supreme court’s job isn’t to decide right from wrong, it’s to decide legal from illegal. If you don’t like their ruling, the way to change it should be through Congress, not though the courts.
It allows them to rule on cases based only on what they legitimately believe to be the correct decision.
I wish I was this blissfully ignorant.
What other reasons would they have to make the rulings they do?
I’m not a member of a political party. I vote for candidates, not parties. If you just vote for a specific party, which ever one that may be, that’s lazy. I don’t care if they’re republican or democrat, I care about what they value.
Also, you can’t really actively kick out member from a party, all you can do is just not vote for them.
This is so hilariously uneducated to the current political situation that I really hope you’re arguing in bad faith instead of just that stupid.
It doesn’t matter what the political situation is, you should vote for specific candidates, not just blindly vote for your party, whichever one that may be, and then call anyone who doesn’t fully support your party evil.
It doesn’t matter what the political situation is
You seem like an idealist, which I have some respect for, but you also have to account for reality. And the reality is, we don’t really vote for individual candidates anymore. We vote for one party or the other to have an additional vote. Elected politicians hardly ever vote outside of their party anymore. It’s not ideal but it is reality. If you vote for multiple candidates of different political parties, you’re just making noise.
And that’s a bad systematic problem. But voting based on the candidate should help to slowly fix it. While there is a very clear difference between democrat and republican, there are still differences between candidates of the same party.
If you vote only for the candidates that are closest to the center, then candidates will compete to be closer. But if you just vote for a party, then the candidates have to no incentive to compete.
78% of republicans are pro-life.
Anti abortion*
You should date someone with at least some reasonable overlap of ideals. If you wish to have a family unit, like conservatives certainly do, you need to have common ground and mutual respect or you will end up with yet another single mother raising a potentially negative statistic and father losing his child or bailing.
That’s not true; I’d date someone I could reasonably discuss fiscal policy about taxation with.
So maybe it’s not so much they won’t date you because you’re conservative and more that you’re openly embracing fascism…
posts like these make me wish lemmy has sort by controversial button
Women won’t date me because I’m ugly :(
