• I_Has_A_Hat
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      1 year ago

      Depends on what freedom of speech you mean. Do you mean people in authority knowingly spreading disinformation should be allowed? Because I don’t agree with that.

      Or, on the flip side, how about simply being able to talk about gay people in schools? Cuz the GOP certainly doesn’t seem to think free speech is all that important in that context.

      Or, completely unrelated, do you mean that people shouldn’t get canceled for speaking their mind? Because that has nothing to do with free speech. They aren’t getting persecuted by the government, and the public is free to ridicule them and refuse to buy their shit or even associate with them. That’s just the free market in action, baby.

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        Intentional malicious misinformation shouldn’t be allowed. But it does need to be held to high standard.

        I think of LGBT+ shouldn’t be a part of elementary/middle school curriculums. But if the students bring it up, that’s fine. Kids are very impressionable, and I worry about LGBT+ just becoming something that is cool. (Also, I think enforcing gender roles is dumb. If a boy wants to play with dolls or have long hair, that’s fine. Same thing for girls.)

        And I don’t think people should be canceled for speaking their mind. That’s a great way to stop debate, which leads to people just trying to fit in, and stops people from making their own conclusions. Just because it’s your right, doesn’t mean I can’t argue over how you exercise it.

        Defending a position by citing free speech is the ultimate concession; you’re saying that the most compelling thing you can say for your position is that it’s not literally illegal to express. https://xkcd.com/1357/

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      Those two sentences are unrelated since the GOP is pretty explicitly against freedom of speech given all their book banning and don’t say gay bills and the like. Unless you’re defining freedom of speech their absolutely brain dead way they use it of ‘We’re free to openly be as big of a piece of shit as we like with no consequences. If you use your freedom of speech to call us out, or use your freedom of association to kick us off your property you’re oppressing us’ in which case yeah, that’s still a bad policy, naming a bad policy after a good one to trick people doesn’t make it a good policy

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        Freedom of speech means you can’t be arrested for what you say. Any policies that ban certain types of speech are very clearly unconstitutional.

        We’re free to openly be as big of a piece of shit as we like with no consequences. If you use your freedom of speech to call us out, or use your freedom of association to kick us off your property you’re oppressing us

        Using freedom of speech to defend your opinion is literally saying “my opinion is valid because it’s not illegal”.

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          So the GOP is by policy against freedom of speech as you’ve defined it, and is passing laws that are unconstitutional, and thus the initial mention of freedom of speech is a non sequitur not intended as an example of GOP policy that isn’t bad, got it, glad we established that. So do you have any examples of policies the GOP does have that aren’t bad?