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    Trump just called Netanyahu and told him to turn down the cease fire. All your complaints about Harris should be gone and Trump should be in prison for being a traitor promoting more death for political gain.

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      Doesn’t really matter what Trump does if she still supports giving Israel weapons. Netanyahu doesn’t care about the ceasefire anyway. That’s been obvious for awhile now.

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        doesn’t really matter what Trump does

        Trump said on day one he’d let Israel “finish the job”. What is wrong with you? Bizarro delusion to even consider democrats approach anything other than vastly superior to Republicans.

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          I’m going to critize anyone who is currently enabling a genocide. That shouldn’t be controversial, but then I guess there’s more Nazi sympathizers in the US than I thought.

          You can’t expect me to clap and applaud for Democrats as they send over bombs and run interference for Israel, just because they act a little sad about it. My advice: ignore what people say, especially politicians, and see what they do.

          Also, “if we don’t do a genocide, someone else will” is a terrible excuse to do a genocide. And take a house like the Israeli settlers do lol.

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            You’re an idealist that wants to see people held accountable, I can understand that… But right now we have a choice between someone who is opposing genocide without enough fervor, versus one that will actively support and contribute to it.

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              Idk about idealism, it’s basic politics. There’s a reason Biden has tepidly supported abortion despite clearly not being a fan of it. Everyone else in the party got on board, but some people had to stand up for what was right first, and you don’t get that done by meekly going with whatever who is in charge is saying. Very few politicians lead from the front, they go with where the wind is blowing, and that requires some people to speak up.

              Meanwhile, the comment above said all your complaints about Kamala should be gone because Trump tried to call Netanyahu to stifle a deal that wasn’t getting done anyway. Really? You don’t see the problem in that logic?

              You guys, we don’t have to be in a cult like the Republicans. You’re allowed to criticize your leaders when they do wrong, I promise nothing bad will happen to you. I’m not even saying vote Trump or don’t vote Kamala, I was honestly just agreeing with the person saying I wish her Israel policy was better, but apparently we’re not allowed to bring that up or liberals go insane? If it worked that way, Biden wouldn’t have had to step down because denigrating Trump for 4 years would’ve crushed him in the polls long ago instead of making it so close. A random Lemmy user saying I wish Kamala said “the genocide is bad”, similarly isn’t going to doom her campaign.

              Also it’s not just not opposing it vs someone who said they will support it. It’s someone’s who’s currently in the administration that is actively enabling it vs someone who isn’t, but said they would do the same but wag their finger less. Materially it’s not much of a difference. It’s like Trump’s complaints about Biden and the border. He already tried to pass a bill that would basically do what Trump would do, he’s just being less outwardly racist about it, so Trump is complaining about it when in reality he probably wouldn’t do that much different.

              For those who oppose genocide, our only hope is that Kamala is being quiet about it because her boss is running the genocide, and she’ll be more outwardly opposed if she either wins or loses. I hope so, but the mood at the DNC has not been encouraging for people following Palestine, and her husband seems to be a pretty fervent Zionist; so just hoping without taking action, pressuring, or even just bringing it up in conversation, the literal least someone could do, seems naive if you want any change on the issue.

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          Oh definitely. That’s clear, but it’s already pretty damn bad. You should read some of the stories. A dad went to get a birth certificate for his two twin girls that were just born and returned home to find his whole house, his wife, his daughters, everyone he ever cared about gone. These bombs have made in the USA on them are, they are dropped by USA vehicles, or launched by our weapon systems. You think that guy cares that Trump would be worse? I don’t think he could even imagine worse if he tried.

          How about instead of cheering for nicer genocide or meaner genocide, we, you know, complain about it? If something like that happened to us, I hope people in other parts of the world would folllow Ireland, South Africa, or Colombia’s example; and not that of the whipped Americans who sheepishly shrug with a “What you are going to do?” look.

          I know it’s uncomfortable to hear when we’re all cheering for the new administration and feeling good and stuff, I’ve been loving the vibes, too. But the literal least we could do for them is bring it up, with a “I like her, I just wish she was better about this issue” without dog piling the person. You’re not personally betraying her or anything if you do that. We don’t have to love Israel. It’s not a requirement to being an American, and I don’t know how people got that idea that it was.