Israeli airstrikes killed dozens of people including two families in both Gaza and Lebanon, while Hezbollah fired a volley of 55 rockets into northern Israel in response.
World leaders urged restraint and tried to frame the ceasefire negotiations as heading in a positive direction.
But in an interview with Sky News, the leader of Hamas in Lebanon told us no progress had been made so far at the talks and the two sides appear to be just as far apart as ever.
Hamas is not at the negotiations but messages and updates have been passed on to them on the sidelines.
I firmly believe that there won’t be peace as long as Israel exists on Palestinian land. And before people claim random stuff on what I say; sure Israel can exist but not on Palestinian land while genociding the native people. For example, US is their biggest enabler and supporter… So perhaps they can allow Israel to exist within US.
I know, it’s wishful thinking.
sure Israel can exist but not on Palestinian land
And not as an ethnostate. No matter which ethnicity is favored, establishing and maintaining an ethnostate necessitates violent oppression and persecution of other ethnicities.
Ethnostates have no right to exist.
I take it you’d support the dismantling of all ethnostates then?
Of course. All theocracies too, in case you were planning a “but Arab States” gotcha.
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Yeah, most of those aren’t ethnostates. Besides, it’s the dismantling of the ethnostate form of governing I’m calling for, not the countries misgoverned in such a way.
The only one you mentioned that is INHERENTLY an ethnostate and always has been is Israel.
I’d say nice try, but that was really a pathetic attempt at selling your false equivalence.
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They are ethnostates
While two or more of them are currently under the internal occupation of ultranationalists, none of them are INHERENTLY ethnostates. By your definition India, one of the most diverse countries in the world, would be an ethnostate as well just because the Hindu nationalist party of Modi is currently in charge.
You are not the arbiter of what counts
Right back at you.
If a nation has a diaspora, it is an ethnostate
That’s one of the stupidest things I’ve ever read and I’ve been paying close attention to US politics for decades! 😂
Trying to conceal overt racism behind improperly applied definitions is weak tea.
It’s racist to NOT want ethnostates? As in states that by definition discriminate based on ethnicity? WTF have you been smoking??
To paraphrase your own blather, trying to conceal overt support for systemic discrimination and violence behind improperly applied definitions is weak tea.
Ethnostate Definitions from Oxford Languages · Learn more
noun
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a sovereign state of which citizenship is restricted to members of a particular racial or ethnic group.
“they actively promoted the concept of a white ethnostate”
Diaspora Definitions from Oxford Languages · Learn more
di·as·po·ra
noun
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the dispersion or spread of a people from their original homeland.
“the diaspora of boat people from Asia”
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people who have spread or been dispersed from their homeland.
“the Latin American diaspora has spread across the United States”
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the dispersion of the Jewish people beyond Israel.
"a secular interpretation of Jewish history in antiquity and during the Diaspora
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Just going off of what the first google result for those two terms says, I don’t agree with your conclusion that some of those countries are ethnostates. If, however, any or all of them did have a ruling party that included an ethnic background in order to join, then I’d be against that government.
It’s also possible to have a nuanced take on the subject. For example, if ethnostate “A” oppresses and kills members of a different ethnicity, while ethnostate “B” merely oppresses a different ethnicity, one can be against both governments while only being vocal about their opposition to ethnostate “A”, and not necessarily be amoral or hypocritical.
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Hey how bout you mods do some reading for once before flagging something as misinformation.
This constant ‘we don’t like something because it disturbs our view of reality mod abuse is BS’.
Yes. Nationalism is unnatural. Middle Eastern cities for the longest of times hosted people from diverse backgrounds. Even the tiny little Gaza has churches from different Christian sects that stood for centuries until Israel bombed them.
Every Arab country has some religious or ethnic or linguistic minority. Even Saudi Arabia has indigenous people who don’t speak Arabic, Faifi is one indigenous Semitic language spoken. And it also has religious minorities that aren’t Sunni Muslims. Saudi Arabia is not an ethnostate, all the diverse people are equally Saudi but it does privilege Najdis and Najdi culture.
Yes. No one deserves an ethnostate. Especially a religiously based one.
When I was maybe 10 years old back in the 90s I asked my Dad why we put a bunch of people in a heavily populated area “when Montana is just sitting there empty. I mean, someone uses the land and we get like, taxes and museums and maybe an amusement park, right?”
He seemed genuinely poleaxed.
I still don’t have an answer to this day!
We’ll give them Florida
For example, US is their biggest enabler and supporter… So perhaps they can allow Israel to exist within US.
They can have
OklahomaNebraska and Kansas. They’ll have many times as much lebensraum and the ones currently in charge there have proven to not be responsible enough to run a state.As a bonus, there’s hardly any Muslim-Americans living there now, so evacuating them all to other states of their choosing before Israelis arrive to potentially endanger them should be completely doable!
You realize Oklahoma is already where we forcibly relocated a lot of the Native Americans to, right? I know you mean well, but 😬
Ah fuck. I knew but I forgot lol. Kansas and Nebraska, then 😁
A massive portion of Israelis have dual citizenship. If there was some kind of one-state solution that combined the two, returned much of the stolen land back to the original Palestinians and gave everyone full rights, those people would pack up and go voluntarily but also claim that they were violently forced out and that the whole thing is a pogrom.
It’s beyond wishful thinking Christians want a Jewish Israel as much if not more than Zionist Jews because the end of days cannot happen without a Jewish Israel.
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What they don’t understand is that’s supposed to be a warning against upcoming catastrophie, not a guide.
The US could end this today if Biden called Netanyahu and told him no more weapons until a ceasefire happens. It worked for both Reagan and Clinton in the past.
Biden is cucked by a right wing fundamentalist government. It’s sad.
So perhaps they can allow Israel to exist within US
It sounds like you’re suggesting ethnically cleansing Jews from the region. How is that any better than suggesting that all Palestinians be moved to Qatar or Iran?
It sounds like you’re suggesting ethnically cleansing Jews from the region. How is that any better than suggesting that all Palestinians be moved to Qatar or Iran?
It sounds like you’re trying to “gotcha” and twists my message/ word thing and I’m not going to take that bait. I’ll block you and if someone else has an actual argument without trying to these bait stuff I’ll respond.
You got me. I was trying to bait you into saying that ethnic cleansing is obviously a bad thing and we should apply a consistent standard to avoid dehumanizing rhetoric.
I’ll come in because I have made the same statement and had someone come back just like you.
The difference is between forcing and offering.
It’s all about consent
If you don’t like Bombing Children your ANTISEMITIC!
Israelis are only good at killing civilians. They can’t defeat an armed resistance so they take it out on women and children.
The region has been cursed by the worst invaders since the Mongols.
In 2006 hezbollah killed less than 50 Israeli civilians meanwhile Israel bombed Beirut and killed thousands of civilians.
The claim that they are the world’s most moral military was never true. They were always, from their inception, the most unhinged, brutal and barbaric military. They are on par with the Nazis that they claim to hate.
No, this is exactly what they’ve wanted all along. Hamas was just an excuse that Bibi has been building for decades
Yes, talks about a second Nakba went mainstream a couple of years before the attack.
https://www.972mag.com/second-nakba-mainstream-israeli-right/
So ignoring intelligence on a coming attack was intentional.
https://www.nytimes.com/2023/11/30/world/middleeast/israel-hamas-attack-intelligence.html
The children’s shoes were anti-semetic.
They belonged to a hamas leader /s
Absolutely horrible, but anyone else question the placement of these teddy bears? Just looks like it was staged (not the attack, but the picture with the teddy bear)
It was probably moved to get a better picture, doesn’t mean they didn’t find it in the rubble though.
Yep, gotta take steps to stop genocide.
Man they probably shouldn’t have been there
