Meta’s new text-based social app Threads has quickly gained 100 million users since launching last week, which appears to be negatively impacting traffic on Twitter. According to web analytics, Twitter traffic declined 5-11% over the first two days Threads was available compared to the previous week. Threads was able to grow rapidly by allowing users to sign up with their existing Instagram accounts and bring over some of their followers. However, Threads has not yet launched in Europe due to regulatory issues. The fast growth of Threads may solidify its position as a real competitor to Twitter, which has over 238 million daily active users.
Cool, fleeing one megacorp run by a huge tool for another megacorp run by a huge tool
Haha, you nailed it.
At least the promise with Threads is that you can move your account and who you follow to a different Mastodon instance in the future.
And as we all know, big corporations always keep their promises.
Yeah, I bought a bridge on pre-order 🙂
Pffft, bridge! Just you wait till that guy I met at the pub delivers the friggin’ EIFFEL TOWER to my house in s months time! Only cost me a pint! 😁👌🗼
I’m all for shitting on big corporations but the fact that they wanted to create a platform based on activitypub is interesting.
Adam Mosseri seems to have good intentions with Threads (https://podcasts.apple.com/us/podcast/hard-fork/id1528594034?i=1000619512224). But Zuck/Meta is most likely going to derail that at some point.
I honestly don’t care for Threads in the long run. My only hope is to follow some people on Threads from a different Mastodon instance. Whatever else they want to do, I don’t care about.
People should be skeptical but competition to Twitter is good. And even better if that product is built on the Fediverse.
I got a fiver that they’ll implement “ActivityPub” in a way that breaks things.
I think initially there will be some limitations. And there are definitely flaws and limitations with activitypub. Maybe this will push the protocol forward to be better.
But if they really break it, why not fork it and not worry about Threads?
I think it’s funny that people think that Meta will kill the Fediverse. Just like Google “killed” xmpp. I think neither is true.
Sure, if Meta isn’t going to act actively malicious, and they will. That is their standard operating procedure. How anyone can look at how Facebook has operated and say, “Ah yes, they’ll be a good neighbor,” is beyond me. We should be walling them off and let them be a cancer onto themselves, rather than let them in the ecosystem and then turn malignant.
Threads != Facebook
If you don’t want to follow people that are on threads more power to you. That’s the beauty of activitypub.
I know they said they’ll federate with ActivityPub, but did they say they will allow you to move accounts to other instances? That seems extremely unlikely to happen
This is a moment when I’d love to use the “you love to see it” meme comment, but it’s more like… “People are fleeing the burning building, and running across the street to an identical building that is infested with rats and cockroaches!”
“Out of the frying pan, into the fire”
“…and running across the street to an identical building that is infested with rats and cockroaches!”
Still better than Nazis.
Meta has contributed to genocide, which is worse than I can (currently) say about musk
It’s amazing how people forget these things.
LibsofTiktok is approved there, so I’m not so sure. Not overwhelmingly Nazi, but Nazis are welcome as long as they don’t say slurs kind of thing that centrists like.
They may not say the slur, but they encode it.
Threads has those too.
Yeah, about that …
While ranking the misdeeds of billionaires is a tricky business, given the choice I’d say Zuck is slightly better than Musk at the moment. :)
No need to limit yourself to those two awful options when good alternatives exist which aren’t run by either of them.
Hard disagree there. Facebook contributed to literal genocide. Elon is just an asshole.
Yeah well. Children are dying every day in cobalt mines because we need minerals for EV batteries
Yes, but unlike Elon’s claim, he did not actually invent the electric car. He wasn’t even the founder of Tesla. It was going to happen with or without him.
The guy that sold Bannon the user data he wanted under the table?
I could not disagree more. Facebook has been shown to be the most powerful cause for the skyrocketing increase in teenage suicides. And Zuck has done nothing. Facebook was also knowingly allowing Cambridge Analytica to scrape user data and target specific voters that could be swayed and was a primary reason Trump won the electoral college but lost the general vote. And Zuck has done nothing.
But yeah, Elon has been a jerk to some people and says stupid shit.
Could I play it safe and fire them both into the sun?
Probably better to use “out of the frying pan and into the fire”
Maybe an optimistic take: people moving = people realising they can move. Eventually some of them may also realise they can move to a platform that’s not controlled by a shitty corpo.
And can instead move to a platform that is controlled by a rando instance owner with their own set of quirks and foibles. And can choose amongst thousands of such instances, each controlled by a different rando with a different set of quirks and foibles. Out of the frying pan and into the fire indeed.
It’s more like realizing that you’re surrounded by fire, so you might as well pick a patch with a nice view.
And can choose amongst thousands of such instances
Kinda glossing over that point.
That’s a good point. Plus they won’t be as embedded in the new place as they won’t have 10+ years of history on it. So moving becomes easier generally
Don’t think that meta turning into even more of a global social megacorp that controls everything a lot of people seee and interact with day to day is a good thing tbh.
Yeah - stuff like this should REALLY be public infrastructure
I know a lot of people are opposed to the state running things but I really wouldn’t mind if there was a well-managed state-run federated instance for all of this
at least with Matrix Europe is already doing something like this since it’s the de-facto-standard for a lot of the internal chats - but there really needs to be a push to make it more popular.
Having the kind of “lock-in” that Meta has where their userbase alone is an argument of using their service is horrible since it makes every competition futile…
From the perspective of someone in the UK, the ongoing shift in government and society towards openly discriminatory/suppressive policies aimed at some minorities (trans people, certain ethnic/cultural groups) and the accompanying moral panics to that effect make the idea of the state running, monitoring and controlling social media as a utility a bit terrifying - particularly for something so fundamental to modern life.
A lot of the issues with centralised social media in private hands would just be intensified if the state were directly running the show - it can’t be trusted to act as a benign, responsible steward.
No reason the state can’t run their own Mastodon instance. Then they don’t have to moderate anything except the comment sections on their own pages, but everyone can consume the content as they please.
I live in a region of the US recently effected by a freak natural disaster. The US Army Core of Engineers announced at 2AM last night that they might have to release water from a dam, adding to the floodwaters in an already flooded downtown near me. On Twitter. Which you can’t view unless you create an account, and even then you might get rate limited. That’s not an acceptable availability for a public emergency announcement.
Yes, having state-run instances of federated social media would be an excellent way to both legitimize the fediverse and remove some of the control that these mega-corporations have. There’s no reason why privately- or corporate-run instances could not exist alongside these instances, and would still serve to combat potential state or corporate censorship.
The logic of what you’re saying is that the executive teams Elon Musk or Mark Zuckerberg would provide better leadership for the UK than the current people.
I mean it’s a low bar, but I wouldn’t go that far.
I’d say that, honestly. Comfortably so, even - if the large private providers are acting badly, at least there’s the potential of smaller private groups setting up their own.
Services directly managed by the state tend to require adherence to a government’s political preferences - where something like the idea of social media as a state-owned utility is concerned, the reality of that would inevitably trend in unfortunate directions for minorities that the government has decided to consider a problem.
It really sucks that this is a legit concern in the UK these days, I’m sorry.
Most people happily exchange one master for another without thinking much about it
To be fair, the change isn’t really affecting them, so why should they care. As long as they still have their favourite celebs it doesn’t really matter to them who owns the platform
It’s the time between masters that is interesting and unpredictable and just fun
Its because “Musk bad”. The boot on the neck never changes.
Threads has not yet launched in Europe due to regulatory issues
LOL no, there are no “regulatory issues”. Meta itself expects Threads to be illegal in the EU. Which is probably correct. And they do not seem to be having a problem with it. Which is fine by me.
Threads has not launched in Europe because it breaks European laws. Yet 100M people jumped straight on it.
https://9to5google.com/2023/07/10/threads-readies-handy-explainer-of-mastodon-and-the-fediverse/
When you limit replies, your thread will not be shared with your fediverse followers.
Private profiles will be able to follow an interact with people on other platforms at a later date.
Like clockwork
what is this private vs public profile? I don’t know the difference.
Is this considered masochism? This seems like masochism.
@trashhalo Nice, they can remove their API limit again? hahahha. Just kidding, Twitter is ded anyway.
I am willing to be corrected, but from what I understand from my online friend (who is Indian (living in the region) and reports on tech with a focus on India, Asia and Southeast Asia), a lot of Threads’ early adoption is entrenchment. For instance, most of India’s IG users migrated to Threads, and that was part of the initial 10 million.
I just don’t think that we can look at Threads’ adoption rates in the same way as, say, we look at Mastodon or even early Twitter. Threads is built upon an existing base: Instagram. Meta even pre-made your Threads account if you have IG. I mean, technically I have a Threads account, sitting there, in the shadows. I also have an Excite account. And I dug up my MySpace account in a fit of pique (and then remembered why I left MySpace all those years ago). But having something and using something are different.
That not to say that Threads isn’t going to end up as Meta’s “revenge” just that the adoption is not necessarily because Threads is better, but that the entire social media monetization culture is pre-built through Instagram; and there not only is no barrier to entry, but you can stumble into the Threads “garden” with ease. It’s basically the same model Microsoft used to bootstrap Windows using the pre-installed DOS base. And it will succeed because the outreach mechanisms are already in place.
That doesn’t change my mind about choosing Mastodon. I have different online handles for different needs. I lost my original IG handle many years ago, so made one using my real name to lurk on IG; so my Threads handle will end up being my real name, and that’s a show stopper for using the platform. My real name social media are “honey pots” to keep nosey companies out of my hair and ways to keep an eye on my squirrelly remnants of a family. I have no desire to post anything on my real name Threads identity.
This is why killing it by defederating was never going to happen. We can only protect ourselves.
Linking these to instagram accounts is textbook anti-trust behavior to establish market positions
Not a goddamn thing about this is ‘organic’
I don’t see the problem with it, it just sounds like the logical thing to do. You can log into any Google service with a Google account, so log into an Instagram service with an Instagram account too. You can also already log into Instagram with a Facebook account, so this isn’t even unprecedented within Meta.
I don’t think anybody’s saying there’s anything wrong with using Instagram accounts as the base to access the platform. It’ll become federated soon, so that won’t be a requirement for long.
The issue that some people take, myself included, is that those aren’t really “new” users, so calling it “growth” is disingenuous. They’re already Instagram users. It effectively makes Threads just Instagram+. Not that that’s inherently a bad thing, but it’s not really “organic growth” as Zuck is calling it. There’s nothing to “grow” if the user base already existed in the first place; it’s just the same user base having access to a new feature.
I can see where you’re coming from, but the “growth” they’re tracking doesn’t seem to be the number of Instagram accounts, but the number of accounts that have signed up for Threads. From a business perspective, they’re still growing a new service. Even if these are still the same people who are already using Instagram, they’re increasing their engagement with Instagram’s services and spending more time there. Now those people are using their Instagram account for photo sharing and microblogging instead of switching to Twitter for that, and more engagement means more ad interaction.
https://mastodon.social/@taylorlorenz/110693385561252959 Elon really made some metric up to claim twitter is healthy
web traffic to Twitter was down 5% for the first two full days Threads was generally available
TIL “tanking”= 5%
Now if only my feed can only show the accounts I’m actually following
What’s profitable about that? Just a thing that’s useful and relevant to your interests?
I tried out Threads just to see what the fuss was about. It’s mostly just annoying celebrities.
It exists to provide the illusion of competition.
It’s sad to see how one dope (Musk) could take something so beloved (even if it was flawed) and run it into the ground. Twitter became bigger, in the social narrative, that it ever was technology or user wise. One dumbass billionaire had to ruin it all
