Reviews of AMD’s Zen 5 processors this week surprised many, with lower-than-expected results. After some investigation, we discovered that turning off Simultaneous Multithreading (SMT) can yield notable performance gains, particularly in gaming. This article presents our findings, including comparisons with the 7800X3D and 7700X with SMT turned off.
  • conciselyverbose@sh.itjust.worksEnglish
    681·
    3 months ago

    During the course of our testing, we observed that Windows 11 was scheduling workloads on the 9700X in a manner that would try to saturate a single core first, by placing workloads on each of its logical threads.

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    • adarza@lemmy.caEnglish
      29·
      3 months ago

      so, basically, the os isn’t tuned for the new chips yet.

      the 2nd threads on smt-enabled cores are supposed to get hit last.

      • conciselyverbose@sh.itjust.worksEnglish
        251·
        3 months ago

        It’s an easy fix, sure.

        But there are 3 manufacturers for them to schedule for. It should be ready way before anything ships.

      • SomeoneSomewhere@lemmy.nzEnglish
        121·
        3 months ago

        There should be no need for tuning, tweaking, or optimizing on functionality this basic.

        If you ask the processor, it will spit out a graph like this telling you what threads/cores share resources, all the way up to (on large or server platforms) some RAM or PCIe slots being closer to certain groups of cores.

      • barsoap@lemm.eeEnglish
        3·
        3 months ago

        For values of “new chips” that include 20 year old ones. Foster was released 2001, the chips were single-core but you could have up to eight on a board so it’s still multi-core SMT. First on-die multi-core SMT seemed to have been Paxville, 2005.

        Or maybe Windows server has a proper scheduler and they never bothered bringing it to desktops?

  • schizo@forum.uncomfortable.businessEnglish
    621·
    3 months ago

    This is shockingly stupid. SMT has been a thing on x86 long enough for it to be able to buy it’s own alcohol and yet somehow the windows scheduler STILL can’t fucking deal with it?

    I’m not a kernel-level developer or anything but I mean, at some point you have to wonder how fucking trash windows kernel internals are that this problem keeps happening over and over and over and…

  • Jure RepincEnglish
    35·
    3 months ago

    Or they just found out that Windows process scheduler is still broken beyond repair. If you look at the benchmarks on GNU/Linux performance is all there. For example see Phoronix benchmark