• kandoh@reddthat.com
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    We’re probably 10-15 years away from having the political will to withhold arms from Israel

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    So this must mean Trump approves of it, right? I mean, we have a 2-party system, so…

    Oh, wait. He said Netanyahu needs to “finish the job” and exterminate the Palestinian men, women, and children. But I’m sure this publication plans to mention that, and didn’t write this just to help Trump in an election year… Right??

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      Trump is not relevant to this story because 1) he’s not currently in government, 2) is not being asked to stop the war by many voters in his base, and 3) clearly doesn’t give a tinker’s fig about the lives of Palestinians anyway.

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        1. “Trump is not relevant because he’s not the president but in January he could be until at least 2029” is a wild argument.
        2. Why does what his base wants matter more than the majority will of the country?
        3. Yeah, that’s the point. He doesn’t care about Palestinians. Whereas Harris does and is trying to thread the diplomatic needle.
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          There you go. Trump is not currently in a position to affect policy on Israel and wouldn’t lift a finger even if he were, so what does it matter what he thinks?

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            Because. He’s. About. To. Be. President.

            I can’t spell it out any clearer than that. No matter what he believes, in about 3 months Biden won’t be in charge of anything…

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      She will let israel finiah the job just like trump. They are exactly the same. At least trump is honest about hating palestinian while kamala is a hypocrite. Vote for a third option even if they can’t win in the short term

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        No I don’t think that’s true. I dislike the whole “Palestine is a complex topic” when arguing about helping Palestinians.

        But saying they’re exactly the same is not true. The President doesn’t run the show despite how it is pitched. They don’t control the economy and don’t control foreign powers. Kamala and Trump will absolutely handle this bullshit differently, will either one do what will make me happy? No. But saying they’ll do the same is so not true.

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            Because it is all a show.

            If Congress wanted to stop sales they would. Selling weapons makes us money, we never not want to sell weapons.

            The government as a whole wants to sell weapons the players and politicians will posture to look this way or that but they want to sell weapons.

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              Since you said that it’s a show and it’s the congress and not the president who can control foreign country doesn’t that mean both trump and kamala are the same as they can’t control israel?

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                Like I said to the other guy, if Republicans didn’t support Israel wouldn’t they be hammering Biden for this? They’re not. Because both parties want to sell weapons.

                If you really need an explanation on Kamala vs Trump in this area then I cannot help you. Trump literally will not look for peace at all, he’s even already fucked his relationship with the Iranian government who is heavily in support of Palestine.

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          They do control foreign powers. We used to condemn Trump for doing dirty backroom arms sales to Saudi. Biden is now doing the same for israel.

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                I understand that but if Congress really wanted to they have solutions to that.

                They don’t

                You don’t think Republicans would love to hammer on Biden for anything? Why not this?

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                  Because the majority of AIPAC funding is from Republicans. And Biden works for them.

                  Joe Biden is a Republican Zionist agent. That’s not some crazy conspiracy it’s literally a straight line from Bidens campaign donations to wealthy Republicans.

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      Ignoring a politicians genocidal actions bc you prefer their rhetoric over the opposition’s rhetoric has historically always gone well

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        Who exactly do you plan on voting for that will prevent that? Remember, candidates that lose elections don’t get a say in policy, so if they don’t win their positions don’t matter.

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          It is simple, if the Democrats want the votes they stop the genocide, if they don’t stop the genocide they get no votes. Maybe if they lose the next time around they would be more willing to listen and acknowledge our grievances. But to accept the genocide just because the genocider is a Democrat is not an option.

          The way I see it: conservatives will always support the genocide, but liberals will only support it if a Democratic president was complicit. We need to make it costly to support even if the president was Democratic.

          The way to send a clear message is to vote Uncommitted or third party -but not RFK Jr.-. Not voting is the wrong way to go about it, and voting Republican sends the wrong message of supporting the genocide. The Democrats need to know that they lost votes because of their genocidal tendencies.

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            Soo, the Democrats lose the vote and then the Republicans help Netenyahu “finish the job”. What kind of psychopath logic is that? “You’re not doing enough to stop Israel, so we’re helping your opponent who can’t wait to help Israel. Palestinian lives are just political pawns anyway”. Mentally sick.

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              “If Blinken and the US administration would have liked this war to be over, this war would be over. Continuing to supply Israel with weapons and to beg Israel to stop the war is quite a farce. This is not international relations, this is a children’s game.” – Gideon Levy, Haaretz

              Your vile ad hominem attacks just confirm your tacit racism against Palestinians and their supporters. I am not wasting time with a bigot. Read, reread then reread once more what Gideon Levy said. Biden, Blinken, Harris and the Democrats had 10 months to stop it and purposefully chose not to. They are guilty of the genocide and deserve no vote.

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                That’s convenient, because I’m not wasting my time with a genocide accelerationist. I actually care about Palestinian lives, I don’t just see them as political pawns, you monster.

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        That’s because you’re not voting for the president of Israel. Tough concept I know

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    Gdi. This is exactly what I feared might happen. It’s the best way to deliver a Trump victory. If that happens because of her stance on Israel’s genocide, she’ll have only herself to blame.

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    Look, you might not like that Hermann Göring has aided and abetted war crimes and genocide and is planning to continue to do so as Führer, but Reinhardt Heydrich has been more direct and rude about his plans to do the same! We all know that no other candidate will win the election, so if you don’t vote for Göring and instead vote for a non-genocidal candidate, you’re worse than someone who’s voting for Heydrich!