Hello Users of Hexbear I wanted to have a featured post discussing the next
steps for federation. We have discussed this at length among the mod team, and
it is pretty much evenly split between federating based on a "block-list" or
federating based on an "allow-list". While the mod team slightly skewed in favor
of federating using a block-list, meaning that any instance not specifically
blocked will be able to link with hexbear.net, we will be starting with an
allow-list. What this means is that only instances specifically on our
allow-list will be able to link with us, there are a few reasons for this. We
wanted to slowly integrate into the fediverse to see what it would mean for
hexbear.net's culture as well as how we fit into the wider fediverse. We also
wanted to ensure that we did not link with any instance that does not block
threads, or does not block the reactionary/fash/pedo instances.
I was honestly suprised to discover that most lemmy instances block lemmygrad.ml
but do not block the reactionary/pedo instances, sad. Here is a tenative list of
what our allow-list would look like: https://pathofexile-discuss.com/instances ,
https://possumpat.io/instances , https://lemmy.ml/instances ,
https://sopuli.xyz/instances , https://discuss.tchncs.de/instances ,
https://lemmygrad.ml/instances , https://mander.xyz/ , https://lemm.ee/ ,
toots.matapocos.dog a block-list would be massive and exhaustive to ensure that
we do not federate with any pornographic, reactionary, fascist, racist,
homophobic, transphobic, or csam-adjacent instances. We will be creating a
pinned post in c/hexbear where additional instances can be nominated for
addition to the allow-list. https://www.hexbear.net/post/277506 Please see these
previous posts by Nagarjuna regarding federation:
https://www.hexbear.net/post/273407 and https://www.hexbear.net/post/273404 If
you would like to officially put down your opinion on federation, please make a
comment with a ⬛️ if you'd like to federate based on a block-list, a ⬜️ if you'd
like to federate based on an allow-list, or a 🚫 if you do not with to federate
at all. Thank you and as usual off-topic comments will be removed.
Hexbear is far more likely to have users entering and using our comms, being another large socialist instance, albeit dedicated to left unity rather than Marxism like ourselves. I think there is enough of a culture change that we need to have a pinned post for hexbear users coming here explaining what kind of content/attitudes they might see here/what different rules to follow
There should also be a section dedicated to explaining to lemmygrad users to respect hexbear comm rules and what to expect from their users etc.
I think this would help ease any potential cross site struggle sessions
The amount of people in the thread calling it a Black-List and White-List is to damn high. It’s 2023 people, I would hope we could recognize segregationist language and use the alternatives (Block List/Allow List) by now. The industry has been moved on for a while. We don’t use Master and Slave anymore, so let’s get with the program.
I’m all for more leftists federating, but I can’t help but observe this transition and wince somewhat. Lemmygrad seems to have faired well enough without having to step out of the pool because of the deluge of libs and right wing nutters flooding the pond like stock trout. Even lemmy.ml leans more left still then one might have expected.
Either the community culture is unified enough to withstand federating, or it’s not. I think it you have to ask, then it’s probably not, and you might need to have the foundation inspected.
Blacklist is not an American word. It’s a British word originating from the term “Blackbook” in the 15th century during the reign of King Henry the 8th, during which he carried with him a literal black book in which he wrote the names of everyone who opposed his rule or conspired to kill him. Hence everyone on the “blacklist” were marked for execution.
This is the first recorded usage of “Blacklist” which was in 1639 in an English play.
Referring to a person as “black” is also a modern invention that arose in the 60’s in America.
Why should the world bend to the Western purview of race and retroactively change their language to accommodate Americans? Nearly 1 billion people speak English worldwide. Why should one nationality get to dictate the rules and what’s “appropriate” using their own social understandings?
I had an issue come up at work once where we were asked to switch to an allow/deny list. Obviously did it because its America and I’m not trying to rock the boat, but I got a good chuckle reading your post thinking back on that.
I think the people worrying about site culture are just kinda boomers afraid of change, reddit blowing up hasn’t really changed lemmygrad culture in the slightest
That is the point I’m making. You can’t build a better society if you can’t handle change and can’t handle having your ideologies challenged by hegemonic thinkers. They’re worried about opening the hen house doors but the fox is already inside.
to be fair to them it’s more that they just want it to be a little comfy posting space, which I really don’t think federation will change if they just stay in local or suscribed
The amount of people in the thread calling it a Black-List and White-List is to damn high. It’s 2023 people, I would hope we could recognize segregationist language and use the alternatives (Block List/Allow List) by now. The industry has been moved on for a while. We don’t use Master and Slave anymore, so let’s get with the program.
I’m all for more leftists federating, but I can’t help but observe this transition and wince somewhat. Lemmygrad seems to have faired well enough without having to step out of the pool because of the deluge of libs and right wing nutters flooding the pond like stock trout. Even lemmy.ml leans more left still then one might have expected.
Either the community culture is unified enough to withstand federating, or it’s not. I think it you have to ask, then it’s probably not, and you might need to have the foundation inspected.
Gulag-list and comrade-list
Blacklist is not an American word. It’s a British word originating from the term “Blackbook” in the 15th century during the reign of King Henry the 8th, during which he carried with him a literal black book in which he wrote the names of everyone who opposed his rule or conspired to kill him. Hence everyone on the “blacklist” were marked for execution.
This is the first recorded usage of “Blacklist” which was in 1639 in an English play.
https://archive.org/details/dramaticworksofp02massiala/page/194/mode/1up
Referring to a person as “black” is also a modern invention that arose in the 60’s in America.
Why should the world bend to the Western purview of race and retroactively change their language to accommodate Americans? Nearly 1 billion people speak English worldwide. Why should one nationality get to dictate the rules and what’s “appropriate” using their own social understandings?
You don’t understand. Everything is about America.
But we’re all living in america
I had an issue come up at work once where we were asked to switch to an allow/deny list. Obviously did it because its America and I’m not trying to rock the boat, but I got a good chuckle reading your post thinking back on that.
I think the people worrying about site culture are just kinda boomers afraid of change, reddit blowing up hasn’t really changed lemmygrad culture in the slightest
That is the point I’m making. You can’t build a better society if you can’t handle change and can’t handle having your ideologies challenged by hegemonic thinkers. They’re worried about opening the hen house doors but the fox is already inside.
to be fair to them it’s more that they just want it to be a little comfy posting space, which I really don’t think federation will change if they just stay in local or suscribed
People should be using “allowlist” and “blocklist”, that’s even the official lemmy terms for them.