Saw a suspicious post resurrecting a 5 month old thread, and after a few back and forths:
https://linux.community/comment/3453531
I don’t understand why you are treating me like a robot. However, I can help with the Fibonacci sequence. Here is a Python 3 function to calculate it:
I’m torn, its nice to have activity in the fediverse, but I’m not convinced bots are the right way to go about it. Opinions on the future of engagement bots?
Bots need to be clearly marked as bots. I dont want to line the fediverse with barbed wire. But I also want transparency on what I am interacting with.
I don’t know how much it would really apply here or how enforceable it is but, genuinely, I think the first thing to do with any real discussion about regulating this is a law that anyone providing LLM can’t be providing it to people who are trying to pass it off as human. I know we’ve had bots doing this for kind of thing a long time ago, but this sort of thing should have been done a long time ago too.
Yeah, I think we need laws of LLMs
Rule 0. Cannot deny your a LLM
I don’t think bots are a good way to boost engagement, but I don’t think all bots should be banned either.
In The Other Place, I enjoyed labeled bots which performed a clear function or service, and replied only in specific circumstances, such as when they were summoned or a key phrase was mentioned.
Examples: stabbot, more JPEG auto, metric converter.
Can you think of any other examples of “useful bots”?
I could swear there was a community link fixer bot, which is pretty useful for people reading comments, trying to click a link to a community, and getting an error. Bot has the correct link as a reply.
Community-specific bots can be quite helpful. NameThatSong on Reddit had a bot that would run your post through song recognizer bots if your post had audio, to try to help the poster identify the song. I found it useful. I should probably figure out how to make a similar bot for !NameThatSong@lemmy.wtf someday.
I could swear there was a community link fixer bot
Yup, there is: @CommunityLinkFixer@lemmings.world
Post scheduler: https://schedule.lemmings.world/
Some people are engaging with the weekly posts on !incremental_games@incremental.social (sadly having federation issues) that are in theory using a bot, but in practice mods have been manually making the post. But people engaged when it was actually the bot posting too.
!fedigrow@lemm.ee, !newcommunities@lemmy.world definitely have weekly posts that get interacted with. !letstalkaboutgames@feddit.uk used to, they are not regularly posted anymore, but when they are people interact. However, on all those communities, as far as I know (I think the post scheduler posts with your account so for all I know the bot could post it?), humans are making the bog-standard “what is going on in your community/active communities/what are you playing this week?” posts and I wonder if the fact a human is posting is what is driving the engagement there.
the remind me in X days bot!
It may not have been useful, but the gandolf and gronk bots provided many entertainment. My joyful emotion was used, at least
Definitely! Entertainment absolutely qualifies as valid “utility”, especially in the less serious meme communities.
if I found out that a community was using chatbots, I would leave that community.
@AnarchistsForKamala@lemmy.world You reported my verifying the LLM bot as uncivil? You made me laugh! I was being polite to the bot in question, it’s a very nicely written bot, it even upvoted my comments to it.
What is your expectation around LLM bot behavior and Lemmy?
i expect admins and mods to deal with bots quietly. filling the comment sections with chatter is bad. encouraging users to fill the comment section with chatter is bad. encouraging users to treat other users as machines is bad.
I would rather have transparency and community engagement to handle this.
id rather stop being called a shill and bot every time my opinion deviates from the hivemind. that shit is toxic
Your account is 8 days old, who has accused you of being a bot?
this account is 8 days old. i’ve been around the fediverse since 2015, and on lemmy with gusto since 2023.
idk dude be more conversational? You don’t need to engage in hostile conversations either.
i don’t tell you what to do. please extend the same courtesy.
I recognize how it would be rude to accuse a human of being a LLM/bot. That’s a good point
This is the first time I’ve seen a obvious LLM bot in the wild on lemmy, so I was trying to get it to definitively out itself. (which it later did)
I’m a little worried if the community rule is to ignore LLM bots when they appear in the comments, then they could become quite the elephant in the room. Most mod actions happen hours/days after the activity has already passed, so even if mods are 100% successful in removing LLM content, most of the experienced interaction people have will already be with the LLM bots.
if the community rule is to ignore LLM bots when they appear in the comments
it should be encouraged for people to report bots. that’s not ignoring.
True, but the overlap between the best LLM and the most oblivious human is rather large, there needs to be a smoking gun for a moderator to see a poster is undeniably a bot, there has to be some interaction with the bot to get to that point.
, there needs to be a smoking gun for a moderator to see a poster is undeniably a bot
here’s a smoking gun: they don’t appeal their ban.
I’m confused, accusing humans in comments of being a bot is rude, but banning people on the suspicion of being a bot so that they have to appeal to unban their account is better?
when the appeal comes in, are you going to deny it?
this can be a very quiet exercise, without implying to other users that the user in question might be a bot. by contrast, just probing it out in the open taints that users interactions.
When I’m banned from things I don’t appeal because I don’t trust the intentions of moderators and making such a request to someone acting in bad faith is humiliating. I think anyone coming from Reddit will probably be reluctant to appeal a ban.
I have too big a mouth to let injustice happen in front of me or to me and not tell someone they fucked up
I don’t know that we can necessarily rely on bot creators to never implement automated ban appeals.
Most mod actions happen hours/days after the activity has already passed, so even if mods are 100% successful in removing LLM content, most of the experienced interaction people have will already be with the LLM bots.
users should still be discouraged from doing your probing anyway. mods should be encouraged to be involved.
I am a mod and a instance admin, I’m exactly the person you say should do the probing.
i’m saynig no public probing should be done at all.
If the bot only responds to public comments, and we don’t allow probing of suspected bot accounts, then we have created a situation where bots are allowed to exist in a defacto state as long as they don’t say ‘I’m a bot’
? just ban it. people appeal unjust bans.
If I wanted to chat to bots I’d be on Reddit, or launch Kobolcpp. Service bots are of course okay, but not bots pretending to be actual users.
I think you’ve been trolled.
The more recent responses do seem to point in that direction. It’s passing at least my intuitive Turing Test.
Perhaps, or the bot was trained on a dataset with trolls. The initial message that started the whole thread was clearly AI generated, it doesn’t diminish our discussion here at all.
https://www.cbc.ca/news/science/ai-consciousness-how-to-recognize-1.6498068
Interesting
What makes you that confident that it was a bot? Honestly seems pretty innocuous to me.
im against llm based chat bots.
you get me some AGI and we can chat
