The only reason “we” care is because of oil. If you think it is anything to do with democracy I’d like to remind you that the tooth fairy comes at 8.00pm
Speaking of oil, wouldn’t it be good if one of the nations extracting some of the dirtiest oil that can be extracted couldn’t sell it so easily what with climate change and all?
Hey, that’s already happening with Venezuela!
Yes yes, I know, whatabout whatabout whatabout America? Make it harder for America to sell oil too. I won’t complain.
Fuck oil. Venezuela’s is meant to stay in the ground anyway, not ramp up, we’re already at 1.5C. I guess that is a good reason to support Maduro’s removedness.
When your government botches an election in such a spectacular way, it is expected that the population would react in any country. I don’t know where you live, but if some protofascist steals an election e.g. Bolsonaro/Trump, we will both be out there rioting with good reason, it won’t be because the CIA paid us.
Or in other words: Potential protesters are not sitting at home like “Oh man, I so want to protest this shit, but the CIA didn’t pay me yet, so I can’t :(”
Plenty of revolutions have happened, before, during, and after the Cold War without U.S. support, the U.S. actively opposed the breakup of the Soviet Union for example, and yet it happened, and several democracies were created from it’s downfall, with little influence from the U.S.
dictators without the U.S. funding them
FTFY
Even if the U.S. government did regularly fund protests/resistance against dictatorships, why would that be a bad thing? As long as it’s not singlehandedly deciding on regime change like in Iraq, I don’t see anything morally wrong with supporting pro-democracy causes within dictatorships.
Yes, because no population on this planet ever acts against their dictators without the U.S. forcing them to do so.
FTFY
That explains the Chinese revolution, the Mexican revolution, hell the French revolution too :)
It certainly helps to explain America’s long history of regime change and destabilisation initiatives
Therefore stolen elections by leftists are allowed forever.
It’s not even a leftist thing, the U.S. opposes right-wing power grabs and coups abroad as well, and has for at least two decades.
Nah, only the right are allowed to steal elections, you win.
no, those we agree on, it is you who are inconsistent and consider “leftist” coups good for some ideological reason.
We = US/Nato + poodles and sycophants
The only reason “we” care is because of oil. If you think it is anything to do with democracy I’d like to remind you that the tooth fairy comes at 8.00pm
Speaking of oil, wouldn’t it be good if one of the nations extracting some of the dirtiest oil that can be extracted couldn’t sell it so easily what with climate change and all?
Hey, that’s already happening with Venezuela!
Yes yes, I know, whatabout whatabout whatabout America? Make it harder for America to sell oil too. I won’t complain.
If we only want to overthrow leftists because of economic resources.
Then why has the Biden administration kept good relations with the socialist president of Chile, one of the world’s largest producers of cobalt, instead of overthrowing him like we did with Allende?
Why did Biden save Brazil, an oil producing nation, and it’s socialist president from a fascist coup?
Fuck oil. Venezuela’s is meant to stay in the ground anyway, not ramp up, we’re already at 1.5C. I guess that is a good reason to support Maduro’s removedness.
did you want to try again?
When your government botches an election in such a spectacular way, it is expected that the population would react in any country. I don’t know where you live, but if some protofascist steals an election e.g. Bolsonaro/Trump, we will both be out there rioting with good reason, it won’t be because the CIA paid us.
Or in other words: Potential protesters are not sitting at home like “Oh man, I so want to protest this shit, but the CIA didn’t pay me yet, so I can’t :(”
Sure. The Velvet Revolution.
Or are you going to claim that Czechs and Slovaks have no self-determination? I’m sure some here will be willing to chime in and tell you otherwise.
Plenty of revolutions have happened, before, during, and after the Cold War without U.S. support, the U.S. actively opposed the breakup of the Soviet Union for example, and yet it happened, and several democracies were created from it’s downfall, with little influence from the U.S.
Even if the U.S. government did regularly fund protests/resistance against dictatorships, why would that be a bad thing? As long as it’s not singlehandedly deciding on regime change like in Iraq, I don’t see anything morally wrong with supporting pro-democracy causes within dictatorships.