A French hard-left MP sparked a political row Sunday by saying Israeli athletes were not welcome at the Paris Olympics because of the Israel-Hamas war in Gaza, which one senior minister said had "hints of anti-Semitism".In a post on X, Arfi branded Portes's comments "irresponsible" and accused him of "legitimising Hamas", the Palestinian militant group whose October 7 attacks on Israel sparked the Gaza war.
  • curiousaur@reddthat.comEnglish
    4328·
    4 months ago

    Fuck Israelis, why are they welcome anywhere? Every Israeli, every Russian, should be sent the fuck home.

      • abracaDavid@lemmy.todayEnglish
        1521·
        4 months ago

        Yes I completely agree.

        We should be very careful to not offend the citizens of these countries that are committing genocide.

        What a terrible misstep that would be.

        I really hope that these countries are never subjected to public shame.

        That would be so terrible.

              • abracaDavid@lemmy.todayEnglish
                23·
                4 months ago

                Haha I never put words in your mouth. I directly quoted you. You did that to yourself.

                And what is it that I need to rethink? That genocide is bad? Y’all can “ratio” me all you want, but I will never go back on my stance that genocide is wrong and that Israel is committing war crimes and atrocities against innocent civilians.

                I’m not going to try and convince you of anything, because we clearly live in different realities. You think that it’s a “hate crime” and that I’m a “Nazi” because I don’t feel bad about people shaming Israel. There is no getting through to someone that reacts in such a manner.

        • Zombie@feddit.ukEnglish
          92·
          4 months ago

          It’s not about offending. It’s about stereotyping and prejudging people.

          It’s very easy to go from Russia/ Israel does bad things so the Russians/ Israelis aren’t welcome, to xenophobic hatred of all Russians/ Israelis.

          It’s a fine line to balance because obviously, being Russian/ Israeli associates you with the actions of your country, and a certain percentage of the population in those countries will agree with their government’s policies. But not all of them do, and to make general sweeping statements like none are welcome leads you close to the xenophobia that those opposed to Russia/ Israel tend to condemn.

          In WW2 America rounded up and imprisoned loads of Japanese-Americans, regardless of whether they supported Japan or had any evidence of them aiding Japan. This has generally been viewed as a bad thing done to innocent people. Rhetoric like this could lead to a similar situation.

          People are people. Some good, some bad. Some perform shitty actions on purpose, some perform shitty actions through ignorance, and some oppose shitty actions. But where someone is born doesn’t determine if they’re shitty or not, so sweeping statements like “Israelis are not welcome” gets far too close to xenophobia for some people’s liking.

          Obviously, what Russia and Israel are doing is awful and must be condemned, but a bit of casual xenophobia isn’t going to do anything to stop them. Official blocks of official teams would do far more to hinder them and their image of acceptance in the international community than blocking their citizens from spectating.

              • Eximius@lemmy.worldEnglish
                2·
                4 months ago

                Ah, that is quite interesting… I didnt know about this. However, you should note that it was a recurring idea by many countries (whether Madagascar, or some other region), due to the Jewish diaspora which was culturally incongruent.

                The nazis were instead fanatical, and aside from directly targeting jews with extreme hate, attacks, the “final solution” was drawn up and relentlessly pursued throughout the war. I havent read up whether its idea origins are somewhere in 1935-1939, but I would assume so.