The post you referenced made no definitive claim as to how influential Azov is
But it made an implicit claim. When you juxtapose my claim of Azov being quite influential, with your characterization of “some dude mouthing off about how Putin is a Jew”, in order for the two to be compared, the latter has to have some kind of meaning. And we know what you meant. Don’t try to backtrack now.
You’re echoing his talking points and plans.
I don’t know what to tell you. I didn’t even listen to Putin’s speech before all of this. I come to my conclusions based on class analysis and 8 years of following journalists on the ground in Donbas. If that leads me to similar conclusions, it’s not a coincidence, it is because there is objective truth there.
You can bring up recent polling, but the truth is, before Maidan, the people in Ukraine were far more in favor of being in Russia’s economic sphere than they were of joining the EU and NATO, with a good amount of people just wanting to stay neutral like Kazakhstan. After billions of US dollars spent for the purpose of changing public opinion through organizations like the NED, and after the three most pro-Russia oblasts with population totaling 11 million in 2013 break from Ukraine, of course you would see an overall change.
But looking at Ukraine from this unitary perspective is not useful when Ukraine is a very divided country. Just look at the map in this article https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2014_pro-Russian_unrest_in_Ukraine. Of course, no one likes war, but no one likes being shelled for 8 years in the Donbas war either where 80% of the 14,000 casualties occur within rebel areas, many of those civilian.
But it made an implicit claim. When you juxtapose my claim of Azov being quite influential, with your characterization of “some dude mouthing off about how Putin is a Jew”, in order for the two to be compared, the latter has to have some kind of meaning. And we know what you meant. Don’t try to backtrack now.
I don’t know what to tell you. I didn’t even listen to Putin’s speech before all of this. I come to my conclusions based on class analysis and 8 years of following journalists on the ground in Donbas. If that leads me to similar conclusions, it’s not a coincidence, it is because there is objective truth there.
You can bring up recent polling, but the truth is, before Maidan, the people in Ukraine were far more in favor of being in Russia’s economic sphere than they were of joining the EU and NATO, with a good amount of people just wanting to stay neutral like Kazakhstan. After billions of US dollars spent for the purpose of changing public opinion through organizations like the NED, and after the three most pro-Russia oblasts with population totaling 11 million in 2013 break from Ukraine, of course you would see an overall change.
But looking at Ukraine from this unitary perspective is not useful when Ukraine is a very divided country. Just look at the map in this article https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2014_pro-Russian_unrest_in_Ukraine. Of course, no one likes war, but no one likes being shelled for 8 years in the Donbas war either where 80% of the 14,000 casualties occur within rebel areas, many of those civilian.