Fuckers ignored the entire unhcr report except for the birth rate decline graph and now, mostly for my own insanity, i’m trying to find demographics numbers from '22 and '23. Looks like the west just completely lost interest, i’m struggling to find anything from the last two years. Anyone got numbers? What little i’ve seen has been a pretty wild range from ~10, which would be fairly normal, to around ~6, which if accurate would suggest something drastic had happened. But, like, every goddamn article is Zenz bullshit from '21 so idfk. Need some help.

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    You have a lot more patience than me. Bless you. My go to line is “there’s literally zero non-Western institution that claims any sort of human rights issue, and zero Muslim country that has made any claim”.

    You know this, but anything from Zenz is garbage. I’ll just attack him as a person and point out a few of his ridiculous statements. Trying to argue against everything he says is an uphill battle.

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      It’s so fucking frustrating. “Oh, look, a tiny shit stained nugget of actual information… let’s see, who is the source?” And it’s always fucking Zenz or an NED front.

      Just, ahhhhhhhhhhhhh!

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    Fuckers ignored the entire unhcr report

    Just for your own mental health, is it worth it? At this point, I’d just start dunking on them.

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      They’re my best friends, aside from the Canafascist. It’s fcking miserable.

      “Yeah, china committed human rights violations during their campaign to shut down us and saudi attempts to spread wahhabi ideology in to Xinjiang. The US and their saudi allies intended to use wahhabism to destabilize washington’s enemies in much the same way they used it to create the mujahadeen, al-aqaeda, and isis. China took primarily non-military measures to combat this focused on building chinese national identity among Uighur people, reinforcing Uighur identity and mainline islam in Uighur communities to shut out Wahhabi infiltration, and a very dorky and heavy handed counter-insurgency campaign that involved hauling people in to prisons for a few months and making them sing chinese patriotic songs for some dumbass reason. Additionally, they pumped a shitload of money and resources in to xinjiang. The program was very effective, wahhabism was effectively crushed within the region, and the program was wrapped up years ago. China’s anti-terror program in Xinjiang should be understood in the context of the global war on terror and contrasted against washington’s non-human rights violating, non crimes against humanity anti-terror campaign of invading entire countries, razing them to the ground, killing millions of people, and sending millions more fleeing in to exile.”

      No fucking way am i getting any of that through their nato infused skulls. There’s a couple of histrionic canadian sinophobes and everyone is way too close to nato. Lots of “both sides can be evil” without any interest in understanding how “both sides” sought to achieve similar goals by wildly different methods, namely dc’s campaign of mass murder vs beijing’s campaign of selectively reinforcing uighur culture and xinjiang’s economics while ferreting out people suspected of either being wahhabi’s or susceptible to wahhabi subversion. Islam, of course, is a monolith, if beijing is “cracking down on religion extremism” they must be doing straw atheist shit, they couldn’t be hunting down washington’s mad dog wahabbi psychopaths.

      Idfk, i hate this shit, i hate it so much. They have such a simplistic, state department view of the world. They’re smart as fuck and i love them and they’re so fucking blnd and indoctrinated.

      And now that i think about it; there’s absolutely no evidence of awareness that the xinjiang counter-terrorism campaign even was a counter-terror campaign, or that it was implemented in the context of the gwot was the specific goal of stopping wahhabism. They all just think China is rounding up Uighurs and doing something to them because china bad.

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    Ironically, or just to drive me fucking insane, all western news in '23 seemed to care about re: china’s population is “lol demographic collapse get rekt china!” And no longer wanted to play with xinjiang