If only people could vote outside of the two party system…
Like imagine if you could go vote but when presented with two shiti choices… You write in “fuck the regime” as your choice
It is a vote but it doesn’t support the gereatric nepo baby regime.
Unfortunately, a first past the post voting system always eventually results in a two party system. Rarely, a third party can rise, but always ushering the demise of one of the previous two. The only way we can escape a two party system is by reforming our voting systems to something like ranked choice or approval voting.
The only way we can escape a two party system is by reforming our voting systems to something like ranked choice or approval voting.
I agree and we see some action on small scale on that front.
My position on this issue is that as long as current two party regime gets sufficient legitimacy from clown voting process nothing changes.
You aint electing 3p under curren rules but you can deny the regime your vote.
This theory does hinge on the idea that you accept the two party regime as futile circle jerk and you are willing to “sacrifice” your vote that “your team” would get.
I don’t see that as a viable path forward. If lack of voters decide the election in favor of the opposition (from your perspective), the party most aligned with you will move away from you to stay competitive. If sufficient votes for third party decide in favor of the opposition, you might get some decent movement towards the third party. If there are so many third party votes that your favored main party loses and the third party rises, the dying party may want to enact change, but they’re out of power, and the newly entrenched party won’t want to do it because it’s now helping them.
Note that none of these result in voting reform. We know because it’s happened. It wasn’t always the Democrats and the Republicans, but it has pretty much always been a two party system once we got through a few elections.
If you want voting reform, unfortunately, the only way to make that a serious possibility is by making it a serious campaign issue and by fighting to enact it locally and work our way up to the federal level. It’ll be hard to go straight for the top, but some areas are starting to experiment and prove it’s viable. Next step is to go a little bigger or expand into new areas.
Here in Australia we have preferential voting. It’s a much better system because you vote for exactly who you want
Good point but are you dealing with similar regime too?
Ie two party circle jerk fucking over working peasants? etc
Independents and minor parties are increasingly growing their balance of power here…
Alright that would make sense in context of better voting system. Do you think it will yield a result?
But yes overall i agree that first pass the post whatever is shite. Thus my comment above would be US centric.
It already has a few times… The rest of parliament has had to negotiate with small parties many times.
But it does also allow a transition to other parties. The US system does NOT. Also, I think your first preference gets the funding in our case. So, if nobody votes for the primary party as first preference they benefit less financially I think
first preference gets the funding in our case.
what does this mean?
Public funding is public money we provide to eligible political parties and independent candidates.
The amount you can receive is based on:
the amount listed in your audited statement of expenditure for the previous election the number of votes your candidates received the maximum legislated amounts.You can also choose to receive advance public funding for the 2022 election. The amount you can receive in advance is calculated for each eligible candidate. It is also based on:
the number of first preference votes the candidate received at the 2018 State election if they stood for the Legislative Assembly (lower house) or Legislative Council (upper house).
This infographic looks super sus. How is Jill Stein leading in anything? Also, why isn’t LP candidate Chase Oliver on the list? Is there a link to the polling methodology? The result is surprising enough that I really can’t take it at face value.
You can visit their website and see for yourself https://adc.org/community-pulse/
Another Arab American poll by another institution in November 2023 reported a drop from 59% to 17% for Biden. Biden’s and Trump’s popularity dropped further since then, even if ADC are odd in their results.
That’s nuts. It’s just amazing to me how bad both major parties are on this issue.
7% too many, but inshallah the Democrats lose for embracing genocide.
Some do believe in lesser-evilism and are holding on to it, others simply don’t care except about themselves. This drop remains one of the largest in a very short period. Biden and the Democratic Party had around 59% approval among Arab Americans before October 2023. I don’t have conclusive data but I know that it was higher than among the general population at any period, now it is in the single digits.
Love to see it. Even my mom, who used to call herself a “proud democrat” since getting citizenship here, won’t be voting this election.
You should explain to her that not voting enables the regime…
Protest vote random third party or just write in anything is the proper way to send the message.
Trump is unpopular as well. Telling Arab-Americans they should fall in line and vote for someone actively contributing to genocide of Palestinians is monstrous behavior, I encourage you to touch grass.
I’m not telling arab-americans to do anything. I invite you to chill out.
You have two options.
- Biden who supports Israel almost completely in this war and is making at least some diplomatic effort to move toward a peace agreement.
- Trump who wanted a “complete Muslim ban” and wants to deport people who don’t completely support Israel.
You tell me which option you pick. You can whine about wanting other options but you don’t have any. If you don’t want Trump then not voting for Biden helps Trump.
Clearly Arab-Americans have decided that largely, they cannot abide either of these outcomes, and have ditched both genocidal parties in favor of non-genocidal parties.
That’s why you need to touch grass, telling Arab-Americans that genocide must be tolerated and democracy doesn’t exist.
Good luck with that.
Touch Grass and speak with Arab-Americans challenge (impossible!)
Look I don’t friggin’ care who you are. Anything you do to help Trump win is going to be a bad thing to do. Biden is NOT the perfect candidate for you. There is no such thing. But Trump is certainly worse.
You can sit back and say “yeah but arab americans don’t like him” – well too friggin’ bad. At the moment he’s the only other viable option. So quitcherremovedin’ and DON’T elect Trump FFS.
- Trump as you can clearly see is very unpopular among Arab Americans.
- Arab Americans are citizens, majority Christian and practically indistinguishable, here are a two American celebrities you might not have known were Arabs: Callie Khouri, and Tony Shalhoub.
- “Democrats lose” means Trump wins.
- Neat.
Only regime removed care…
We lived under both and life is shite for majority of Americans
These fear campaigns are tone deaf.
I just can’t imagine why!
maybe its because he is a genocidal racists that goes around proudly saying he is a zionists.
so basically 93% indirectly for trump. i bet he’ll thank them by gassing them first
Support for Biden was 59% in 2020 among Arab American. I wonder what and who caused it to drop so much…
Biden is shedding leftist and POC votes, not because Trump is better somehow, but because Biden cannot meet the mimimum level required for support. That’s how bad Biden has fumbled the ball.
Trump is not gaining votes if Biden loses votes. For starters, non-voters outnumber any other voting block to begin with, America doesn’t have compulsory voting. Therefore, vibes absolutely sway elections, and failing to earn votes means you will lose them.
Finally, if you genuinely believe Trump will gas Arab-Americans and your only plan of resistance is to merely vote for Biden, then you don’t actually care. If you do believe Arab-Americans are in danger under a possible Trump regime, then you should be organizing and protesting outside the standard electoral process to ensure that doesn’t happen, and protect them on the ground.
Nah, i’m not even from the US. I’m from a country that already had a fascist regime and I see the red flags and people repeating the mistakes my great-grandparents did.
98% “indirectly” for Biden (by not voting for Trump) by the same logic…
