There’s also a very consistent and common shortlist that these people just pretend doesn’t exist because the narrative line they’re now following demands they pretend it doesn’t.
I’m just saying it’s pretty convenient to your point that the DNC has been making it abundantly clear that they would take down anyone who challenges their incumbent.
via Matt Taibbi yesterday on substack,
I used to support Bernie Sanders; but he’s not going to be considered for any “blitz primary,” because party insiders apparently don’t consider him a legitimate or “viable” Democrat (while candidates Sanders stomped in primaries, like Amy Klobuchar and Cory Booker, are being considered). Marianne Williamson, removed from the ballot by the DNC in states like Florida and North Carolina, is another candidate I like who’s been effectively banished for having the gall to oppose the incumbent in this cycle. I liked Tulsi Gabbard, too, but the party slandered her as a “Russian asset” and effectively expelled her, on the basis of phony research ginned up by the Hamilton 68 think tank we exposed in the Twitter Files. I think RFK, Cornel West (whom I like a lot, as you’d know if you read my profile), Jill Stein, and even the No Labels people are interesting. The huge amounts of time, money, and effort being spent by Democrats to try to keep them all off the ballot through litigation are incomprehensible and infuriating.
No, I just think you’re being disingenuous so I have no interest in whatever name by name critique you’re going to give for a list you already know 80%+ of the names for but are pretending doesn’t exist.
I don’t think a single person on your theoretical list is electable, if that’s what you mean. But I would need you to be specific about who you think might be a viable alternative in order to have any useful discussion about them. I have no need to be disingenuous. You need to actually support your point of view with more than vague suggestions and hand-waving.
Look at the 2020 candidates, I’m sure a good number of them would run a campaign if Biden stepped down. The democratic establishment just needs to put their weight behind a candidate that people are willing to vote for like they did with Biden.
Buttigieg. Whitmer. Beshear. Pritzker. Newsome. Fucking Klobuchar or Warren. Literally anyone else that would announce their candidacy as soon as Biden got out of the way. It’s the fucking democratic nomination, somebody out there wants it and given the chance to campaign would be able to beat Trump by miles. Half of them are starting at more or less equal odds with Trump even with NO campaigning whatsoever.
I’m not claiming to be clairvoyant but jesus have some imagination, a sense of object permanence. You’re not hearing about them because they aren’t challenging the incumbent president, not because they don’t exist.
Edit: and yes, given a real primary, it is that simple.
It is not that simple, when we’re talking about the national vote. Yes, another candidate could win the primary, but none of them have the kind of national presence to compete with Trump this close to the election. If they had been the candidate 2 years ago, maybe. Switching candidates this late will damage voter confidence, and will result in lower turnout, regardless of who the candidate is.
Imagination has nothing to do with it, this isn’t a Disney movie.
That’s bullshit. 4 months is an eternity in election year time. Also, like I said, on account of them all clearing the bar of not being Trump, half of them are starting at more or less equal odds with Trump (and Biden) with NO campaigning whatsoever. Aside from that, Biden himself staying in the race is doing everything you’re saying about the other candidates, all on his own.
The complication here; for any candidate; is that you have to offer something more than “not trump”, campaign on that, and project confidence in defending your ideology and its allies. That is where voter confidence is fostered, not bowing down to some sunk cost fallacy. Biden is unable to perform on this in his current state. That is why his base comes down only to voters who both 1) don’t have serious objections against Biden, which are dwindling, and 2) are informed on what trump may be capable of in a second term, of which the effort to increase this demographic is either completely absent or ineffectual.
So, so many of us are going to vote for whoever the D is, no matter what. And Biden shit the bed, costing him those dumbass undecideds in the few states that will determine our collective future.
Anyone should be able to beat Trump after four years of lies, a felony, a coup attempt and overturning Roe. It’s absurd to think Biden is the only one who can.
I agree with you, and that’s how you know it’s just disinformation and dishonesty. Nobody ever has a serious name to replace Biden. You press them for the replacement candidate, and you’ll get a ridiculous answer because they don’t actually have a plan. They just want to knock Biden down.
Harris is already on the ticket. If she’s the reason to vote, good news! Biden can step aside after he beats Trump and hand Harris the big chair. She can then run in 4 years as an incumbent (assuming she does a good job.) If she’s not the dream candidate, then why aren’t we talking about replacing her on the ticket? You want Whitmer or Newsom or Buttigieg, then put them on as the VP and let them run behind Biden.
You don’t get away from Biden’s baggage by having him step aaide. His record, his endorsements, his policies, those all come with the package. The only thing you shed is his age. If that’s the only reason you’re concerned about Biden, then it’s not a serious concern.
You don’t get away from Biden’s baggage by having him step aaide. His record, his endorsements, his policies, those all come with the package.
That’s a good point. The entire Democratic Party has failed the working class (because they were never on our side to begin with). Whose name is on the line on the ballot next to the D is irrelevant; we’ve already lost.
Because there aren’t any other viable candidates.
Theres a whole country of people, how hard is it to find one qualified candidate?!
Apparently, rather hard.
I doubt it is the qualification for the actual job that is the issue. Being willing to put one’s family through that shit it tough.
Indeed. A wise wizard once said: “It is a curious thing, Harry, but perhaps those who are best suited to power are those who have never sought it.”
There’s also a very consistent and common shortlist that these people just pretend doesn’t exist because the narrative line they’re now following demands they pretend it doesn’t.
Right! Nobody’s stepped up because Biden hasn’t stepped down, I thought that was well established by now??
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I’m just saying it’s pretty convenient to your point that the DNC has been making it abundantly clear that they would take down anyone who challenges their incumbent.
via Matt Taibbi yesterday on substack,
Trump is winning either way with the way things are going right now, might as well throw out a hail mary
What is this list?
Just fucking Google it man. It’s been a repeated news story. If you’re not aware of it you’re not trying to know it.
OK, so you don’t have an answer either, got it.
No, I just think you’re being disingenuous so I have no interest in whatever name by name critique you’re going to give for a list you already know 80%+ of the names for but are pretending doesn’t exist.
I don’t think a single person on your theoretical list is electable, if that’s what you mean. But I would need you to be specific about who you think might be a viable alternative in order to have any useful discussion about them. I have no need to be disingenuous. You need to actually support your point of view with more than vague suggestions and hand-waving.
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Look at the 2020 candidates, I’m sure a good number of them would run a campaign if Biden stepped down. The democratic establishment just needs to put their weight behind a candidate that people are willing to vote for like they did with Biden.
Which would be who?
Also, that just is doing a lot of heavy lifting in this sentence, as if it were that simple.
Buttigieg. Whitmer. Beshear. Pritzker. Newsome. Fucking Klobuchar or Warren. Literally anyone else that would announce their candidacy as soon as Biden got out of the way. It’s the fucking democratic nomination, somebody out there wants it and given the chance to campaign would be able to beat Trump by miles. Half of them are starting at more or less equal odds with Trump even with NO campaigning whatsoever.
I’m not claiming to be clairvoyant but jesus have some imagination, a sense of object permanence. You’re not hearing about them because they aren’t challenging the incumbent president, not because they don’t exist.
Edit: and yes, given a real primary, it is that simple.
It is not that simple, when we’re talking about the national vote. Yes, another candidate could win the primary, but none of them have the kind of national presence to compete with Trump this close to the election. If they had been the candidate 2 years ago, maybe. Switching candidates this late will damage voter confidence, and will result in lower turnout, regardless of who the candidate is.
Imagination has nothing to do with it, this isn’t a Disney movie.
That’s bullshit. 4 months is an eternity in election year time. Also, like I said, on account of them all clearing the bar of not being Trump, half of them are starting at more or less equal odds with Trump (and Biden) with NO campaigning whatsoever. Aside from that, Biden himself staying in the race is doing everything you’re saying about the other candidates, all on his own.
The complication here; for any candidate; is that you have to offer something more than “not trump”, campaign on that, and project confidence in defending your ideology and its allies. That is where voter confidence is fostered, not bowing down to some sunk cost fallacy. Biden is unable to perform on this in his current state. That is why his base comes down only to voters who both 1) don’t have serious objections against Biden, which are dwindling, and 2) are informed on what trump may be capable of in a second term, of which the effort to increase this demographic is either completely absent or ineffectual.
The oligarchy does not want an effective Democratic candidate
So, so many of us are going to vote for whoever the D is, no matter what. And Biden shit the bed, costing him those dumbass undecideds in the few states that will determine our collective future.
Anyone should be able to beat Trump after four years of lies, a felony, a coup attempt and overturning Roe. It’s absurd to think Biden is the only one who can.
I agree with you, and that’s how you know it’s just disinformation and dishonesty. Nobody ever has a serious name to replace Biden. You press them for the replacement candidate, and you’ll get a ridiculous answer because they don’t actually have a plan. They just want to knock Biden down.
Harris is already on the ticket. If she’s the reason to vote, good news! Biden can step aside after he beats Trump and hand Harris the big chair. She can then run in 4 years as an incumbent (assuming she does a good job.) If she’s not the dream candidate, then why aren’t we talking about replacing her on the ticket? You want Whitmer or Newsom or Buttigieg, then put them on as the VP and let them run behind Biden.
You don’t get away from Biden’s baggage by having him step aaide. His record, his endorsements, his policies, those all come with the package. The only thing you shed is his age. If that’s the only reason you’re concerned about Biden, then it’s not a serious concern.
That’s a good point. The entire Democratic Party has failed the working class (because they were never on our side to begin with). Whose name is on the line on the ballot next to the D is irrelevant; we’ve already lost.