Populism is a reactionary movement. It doesn’t just spring up out of nowhere - it comes to be specifically if and when there’s a relatively common perception among the people that the government no longer serves their interests.
The solution then is simple and straightforward, at least in principle - all it takes is for the government to institute the necessary reforms to win back the trust and support of the people.
The problem comes because all too many politicians don’t have the necessary empathy, integrity and/or determination to actually do that.
So they have nobody to blame but themselves.
Yup. I don’t even get what “populism” is when mentioned in media. Isn’t that-- democracy?
I’m a leftist but even I understand when people come into the embrace of the far-right, because the mainstream parties neglected the people’s everyday concerns.
People who are hungry, people who are out of a job are the stuff of which dictatorships are made.
- Franklin Roosevelt
People are also using “populism” here to be a solely negative political movement associated with the right wing, but it’s just a matter of people thinking the people running society aren’t doing a good job for the majority. Not sure if that’s intentional or not, but it’s a value-neutral political expression. Anywhere you say “populism” you should generally be able to substitute “anti-establishmentism” and it’ll be roughly correct, but doing so in a lot of these comments doesn’t make sense. The establishment isn’t inherently good, though I can see why the head of the largest religious establishment in the world might consider challenges to it bad.
That doesn’t work if there’s not honest media.
Seems to me the rise in populism in western countries are the majority being treated the same as minorities.
What would a king chosen by his advisory council know about democracy?
It’s a church, not a nation. What about your boss not being chosen democratically?
The Holy See isn’t a nation? Are you sure about that? It has sovereignty. What else would it be?
Says world leader who was undemocratically elected
And was allied with the most populist government in his country before he got there
Well, I sure didn’t vote for him.
You don’t vote for Pope
Well, how do you become Pope then?
He is elected by a papal enclave, which is a gathering of the College of Cardinals.
Listen. Strange men in tall hats is no basis for a system of government. Supreme executive power derives from a mandate from the masses, not from some farcical hat ceremony.
You mean hes not elected by some moistened bint throwing a pointy hat at him?
God
Populism is a feature of democracy. It’s just like in life, easy answers, like fast food for example, are always easy to suggest, but in the long term might not be the best. But if you can show your voter base, eating these disgusting vegetables in the long term is going to do everyone good, slight inconvenience, major benefit. So there will always be the power hungry populist that will give easy and popular answers to hard questions, it is the voters duty to determine who has their long term interests at heart and who is able to bribe you with your shortsighted desires to get into power.
On the other hand, you do need to fuck up education big time, and suck hope out of the people with policies that only benefit the rich for decades for it to be appealing.
In your analogy, people today have no vegetables on the menu, just subsistence amounts of bread and water versus hamberders and cheap beer. And we get less and less bread every year.
People would like veggies, a lot of them, especially kids, but the veggie peddlers are beaten up and driven away by the bread and water people, since literal poison is easier to compete with.
In a two party system, populist movements grow when the opposition party is failing (or is perceived as failing) people. Alternatively, both parties can fail the people before one becomes populist.
The two party system has failed Americans. But now that the republicans have created a populist movement, the failure of democrats to properly serve many people causes them to be pulled by populism. It doesn’t help that the culture war lets absolue horseshit issues fly by without actual basis in reality, since that fuels the fire without actually having to do the hard discussions about policy.
The MAGA movement is a “third way” that formed because the paths forward shown by both democrats and republicans seemed to lead to nowhere for many people.
I don’t think this is a cancer, I think this is a horrendous feature of the design of a representative democracy under capitalism (at least, in the American sense)
Capitalism will crush people while trying to wring every bit of profit out of them, and in a capitalist democracy, the state supports capitalism.
Representative democracy leads to unaccountable representatives. They still need to get re-elected if they want to (or they could just serve capital and dip), but with all the dogmatism caused by political parties, the hierarchy of the parties protecting the politician, and the benefits of having corporate sugar daddies, especially media corporations, they can get away with enriching themselves at the expense of Americans, while still having decent odds at reelection.
Further, people in power, for whatever reason gave this tendency to build their power, usually at the expense of those without it. The state gives itself new powers and new toys at the expense of everyone else. Fear of terrorism gave us some of the most draconian laws on the books, such as the patriot act, which has not been repealed whenever there has been an opportunity to. The police got afraid of the people, and bought themselves guns, counterinsurgency training and tools from a foreign apartheid state, armored cars, and raises. The supreme court went from writing itself into existence to giving the president near legal immunity, rolling out the red carpet for the authoritarian state to become an even more authoritarian state.
When you mix these tendencies together, its no wonder why this state has failed. And while it hasn’t failed everyone, the nature of capitalism leads to a pretty large exploited class ripe for exploitation. And this populist movement is ready to take advantage of that, between those primed by culture war drivel, economic suffering, or seeing their demographic and/or class lose power in some way.
This populism isn’t a cancer on an ailing democracy.
It is a symptom of a failing democracy, unable to sustain itself from the structure of itself.
I agree with your overall points, but populism is not exclusive to two-party system. Much of Europe, with many countries having a multiparty, proportional representative parliaments, are experiencing populism as well. We see the rise of far-right AfD in Germany, National Rally in France and Sweden Democrats to name a few.
That’s true. I was just trying to explain my view of the US system.
Broadly speaking, do think that if a country has two dominant neoliberal parties, like the US, this will inevitably happen.
A huge chunk of the most virulent MAGA are successful. Whatever their reasons, “The Democrats failed them” is only something they’ve been told, not something that really happened, because they were never failed.
You don’t need to be downtrodden to feel like a party is failing you. Considering life is getting harder for so many lower and middle class people, a lot of people are feeling worse than they did 10-15 years ago. This is where people have been failed by both parties.
I mentioned that there are people who are feeling like they are losing their position in society. Some people are simply bigoted and are upset at seeing minorities get visibility, some are upset that christianity is less prevalent among Americans. I don’t think either of these reasons is valid, though, fuck the old hierarchies.
The issues faced by Americans in the rural south are completely different than the ones faced by Americans on the east or west coasts. We basically live in separate worlds. Republicans failed them, but to think the democrats didn’t is silly. For example, a lot of people live in rural areas, where the police would take an hour to get there if someone was being attacked by someone or some animal. Guns are a bit more necessary in places like this than they are in a big city.
Granted, I think the media’s lies is the biggest cause of the populism. And holy shit does right wing media spew lies at an incredible rate.
Is the cancer called ‘any and all religions’?
We could abolish religion and still have harmful populism.
Worth a shot!
Religion is a human idea.
Human ideas are the problem. You can have ignorant hatred without religion.
It would go a long way to fixing the problem.
Religion is a human idea.
Human ideas are the problem. You can have ignorant hatred without religion.
If he didn’t name them directly, they won’t understand he’s talking about them. There’s a lack of intellect and critical thinking there. That’s why it works in the first place.
He’s the Pope, he’s literally the head of the world’s largest group of people regularly practicing the lack of critical thinking.
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Pope’s Latino bro. Any other reductive comments?
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Yeah, it’s called the Democrats and Republicans
I’m pretty certain he wasn’t just talking about the U.S.
Especially since the EP elections just happened, and he was speaking in Italy.
