But that’s the thing, it’s not less. If a typical worker assembles 10 widgets an hour and the worker with a disability completes 3, they get paid 30%. Like I said, there’s an ethical question there about the value of labor and what work means, even what it means to be “typical,” since those workers have varying productivity. The original justification for 14b of the FLSA was the productivity thing. It just allows people who couldn’t typically hold jobs to get some sort of work. Many of the people in 14b settings could not hold a regular job. If 14b is banned, most employees will switch to other non-work activities, should the funding even exist for those.
An incredible privilege? That was true when I worked fast food jobs. Sometimes it was dead.
And I said nothing about a raise, I said a minimum wage, and I sure don’t think that there should be a “you aren’t working hard enough” requirement to get the completely non-survivable wage of $7.25 an hour.
And you’re not going to be able to convince me that Goodwill can’t just afford to pay them that rate anyway. They just don’t because they don’t have to.
But they ARE paying the that wage. They’re just paying them incrementally, based on performance, rather than time.
Again, yes, you are incredibly privileged that you have been allowed to sit around doing nothing & getting paid for it. Quit pretending you aren’t.
Dead time is still time on the job. Time when you ARE expected to work. The fact that you didn’t get fired is your privilege.
Good Will is not some saintly organization, no one here is arguing that. But commerce is commerce & if those jobs fill the need for someone who can’t take on additional work, then they serve a reasonably valuable purpose in society.
Well this is the first time anyone has ever suggested I was privileged for having a minimum wage fast food job where sometimes customers didn’t come in so we didn’t have to work for a while.
You have a very strange idea of privilege if you think you can be privileged to have a job that doesn’t pay a livable wage. Or a fast food job at all.
Literally the point of minimum wage is that it’s minimum. It should be the bare minimum we would give anyone for taking time away from their lives for the benefit of a company, regardless of the amount of work done.
Frankly, if we’re going to start adjusting pay based on the quantity and difficulty of work done like that, we are going to need to start paying frontline retail workers a lot more, and CEOs and the like a lot less.
That’s also not true at all. There are plenty of employment options that don’t revolve around hourly compensation at all, they are ENTIRELY performance based.
This happens to be one of those jobs.
If you & I are bothered offered a job to make X amount of widgets in Y amount of time, don’t want to be paid for the hour or per widget?
You have control over your pay if you’re paid per widget. You have no control when paid per hour.
Should we both be paid $15 for that hour if I only make 3 widgets & you make 20?
Minimum wage only extends to hourly based employment. It does not extend to contract or performance based employment.
I’m not sure why any of that justifies paying them less than an abled person would for doing the same job.
But that’s the thing, it’s not less. If a typical worker assembles 10 widgets an hour and the worker with a disability completes 3, they get paid 30%. Like I said, there’s an ethical question there about the value of labor and what work means, even what it means to be “typical,” since those workers have varying productivity. The original justification for 14b of the FLSA was the productivity thing. It just allows people who couldn’t typically hold jobs to get some sort of work. Many of the people in 14b settings could not hold a regular job. If 14b is banned, most employees will switch to other non-work activities, should the funding even exist for those.
That’s not how minimum wage is supposed to work. It’s a minimum for a reason. It doesn’t matter how much work you actually do.
That’s not true at all. Minimum Wage is the minimum standard pay for DOING a job.
You don’t get minimum wage for not working.
I have yet to work a job where I didn’t have tons of down time. I still got paid more than minimum wage for all of them.
Well congratulations, that sounds like an incredible privilege.
I’ve also had jobs with downtime. Unfortunately, my employers did not see fit to give me a raise for not doing anything during that time.
Maybe you’re just better at doing jack shit than the rest of us.
An incredible privilege? That was true when I worked fast food jobs. Sometimes it was dead.
And I said nothing about a raise, I said a minimum wage, and I sure don’t think that there should be a “you aren’t working hard enough” requirement to get the completely non-survivable wage of $7.25 an hour.
And you’re not going to be able to convince me that Goodwill can’t just afford to pay them that rate anyway. They just don’t because they don’t have to.
But they ARE paying the that wage. They’re just paying them incrementally, based on performance, rather than time.
Again, yes, you are incredibly privileged that you have been allowed to sit around doing nothing & getting paid for it. Quit pretending you aren’t.
Dead time is still time on the job. Time when you ARE expected to work. The fact that you didn’t get fired is your privilege.
Good Will is not some saintly organization, no one here is arguing that. But commerce is commerce & if those jobs fill the need for someone who can’t take on additional work, then they serve a reasonably valuable purpose in society.
Well this is the first time anyone has ever suggested I was privileged for having a minimum wage fast food job where sometimes customers didn’t come in so we didn’t have to work for a while.
You have a very strange idea of privilege if you think you can be privileged to have a job that doesn’t pay a livable wage. Or a fast food job at all.
Literally the point of minimum wage is that it’s minimum. It should be the bare minimum we would give anyone for taking time away from their lives for the benefit of a company, regardless of the amount of work done.
Frankly, if we’re going to start adjusting pay based on the quantity and difficulty of work done like that, we are going to need to start paying frontline retail workers a lot more, and CEOs and the like a lot less.
That’s also not true at all. There are plenty of employment options that don’t revolve around hourly compensation at all, they are ENTIRELY performance based.
This happens to be one of those jobs.
If you & I are bothered offered a job to make X amount of widgets in Y amount of time, don’t want to be paid for the hour or per widget?
You have control over your pay if you’re paid per widget. You have no control when paid per hour.
Should we both be paid $15 for that hour if I only make 3 widgets & you make 20?
Minimum wage only extends to hourly based employment. It does not extend to contract or performance based employment.