If the media can get a presidential candidate to drop out just by repeatedly asking him to then why the fuck aren’t they calling for Trump to step down?
Because they’re full of shit. That’s why.
this is what gets me. Even barring the insurrection itself his unwillingness to accept his loss and not cooperating with the handover. Its funny I remember bush junior was known for not working with the clinton administration on the handover coming in which caused them to be unaware of the al-kaida threat and then trump won’t prep the incoming administration. so they are resistant acting properly both coming and going. Myabe the republican party should drop out of running canidates in presidential elections due to incompetence.
What?
You think Biden is just as likely to put himself over the country and listen to reason…
As trump is?
Look. I don’t think Biden is a good candidate, but even I give him more fucking credit than that
Do you really believe Biden is as selfish and egotistical as trump?
That’s a pretty hot take even post debate…
And BTW, it’s not just “the media”. It’s “the media” that has been defending him for four years, political experts, and even his own party
https://apnews.com/article/biden-doggett-2024-election-98c3bd8c4138245e7ef8f79d621268e8
The difference is Biden might be able to be convinced to put the fate of the nation over his own position in office. Trump has no such concerns to appeal to.
Biden also reportedly stressed that he was apologetic for his debate performance but told supporters it was “critical” to beat Trump in November. Polling has shown that the candidates are neck and neck, even after Thursday’s debate in which Biden’s demeanor sparked concern among Democrats.
One of the few things I agree with Biden on…
Beating trump is the most important thing, and Biden looks like he might not be up to it.
He just refuses to step aside, because it’s not about beating trump to him, it’s about him beating trump.
And it’s insane to put it on an 81 year that keeps sundowning.
Aside from stepping aside, which is risky let’s all admit - though risky is also staying in - I jokingly, though somewhat firmly believe, that all Biden has to do to see his ratings spike and completely manipulate people is go fucking bananas. Just lean hard into Dark Brandon. Campaign like a motherfucker. Throw out shots left, right, and center. Hop on a couple big stages full energy for two hours.
Basically: All his campaign has to do is twist the narrative. It’d probably work too, though having the idea and accomplishing it are two entirely different monsters. Biden may not be up to acting this piece well enough to sell it. If he did though, I feel he’d come out the other side in a stronger position.
Due to my own biases, I can’t think of anyone else who’d be able to go up against a name like Trump. He won’t step on anymore debate stages. He won’t play fair. Recognition is, I think, very important right now.
Aside from stepping aside, which is risky let’s all admit
The last Dem incumbent with approval similar to Biden’s was Jimmy Carter…
Howd his second term go again?
People keep forgetting that Biden is historically unpopular, he’s not a normal incumbent, he’s one no one wants 4 more years of.
We just don’t want 4 more years of trump either.
So the safe bet is running someone Dem voters want.
Recognition is, I think, very important right now.
And every American will know Biden’s replacements name in 48 hours of being named…
WHO do voters want?
People keep saying to run someone.
Who??
Also, why the fuck do we always start to come together and then find a reason to shit all over ourselves? I’m hard left leaning but like fuck man, it’s hard being covered in verbal shit all the time from all the people that seem so intent on arguing against just coming together. The Republicans can do it, and they’re fucking imbeciles…
…who keep winning!
WHO do voters want?
Not trump. And not Biden…
People keep acting like Dem voters are asking for a perfect candidate, they’re not.
Whitimer is probably the most likely to get tapped and still win, but AOC would make the 2024 election look like a Harlem Globetrotters game. The DNC just won’t pick a progressive
Also, why the fuck do we always start to come together and then find a reason to shit all over ourselves?
Because when we “come together” it’s always progressives holding their noses, moderates getting exactly what they want, and Dem voters not liking what the moderate did once we put them in power.
Look at Obama, Hillary did the whole PUMA thing, but with a progressive candidate, the moderate wing just isn’t fucking needed.
The problem is party leadership are all moderates, and only a tiny slice of Dem voters are.
The problem is party leadership are all moderates, and only a tiny slice of Dem voters are.
Fifty-two percent of Democratic voters are moderates. Only 12% are progressive. You don’t help your argument by making statistics up out of thin air.
You don’t have to self-id as a progressive to support progressive policies.
That has nothing to do with my comment or the comment I responded to.
Tim Walz!
The DNC does not decide if AOC runs or not, just like they couldn’t choose whether Bernie ran or not. Otherwise they would have.
AOC decides if AOC runs.
I don’t share your optimism that she would sweep though, I think she’d come across as too young to a lot of voters. I’m hoping she picks up a Senate seat soon, and then runs from that in the future. I think it’ll put her in a better position to win.
I’m not seeing any polls that show them neck and neck. I believe Bidens just all about staying in power. Same with his wife and the others that have been lying to the public about his well-being. I think it’s elder abuse.
OP is a tagged trump supporter
Oh no!
Yeah that’s a giant red flag. You support a conman rapist felon man-child narcissistic asshole to lead the country? That’s one of the dumbest fucking things ever. Unless you’re just an anarchist who wants to start a shit ton of trouble and get Americans killed, there should be no reason to support him.
Fuck off fascist.
Right back to ya
From the article:
Biden did make several trips in the weeks leading up to the debate. On June 13, the president joined other leaders for the Group of Seven summit in Apulia, Italy. Two days later, he flew to Los Angeles for a celebrity-filled fundraiser alongside former President Barack Obama, where his campaign said he raised at least $28 million, per a report from Politico.
Reuters reported that Biden headed to Camp David on June 21 to begin debate prep six days before he took the stage. White House aides who traveled with the president told Reuters that Biden was “in a good mood” on his way to prepare.
So, let me get this straight. Two-ish weeks before the debate, he travelled to Europe to visit our allies for two days. Then he visits LA for a day. Then, a week before the debate, he goes to Camp David to prepare. And that’s the strenuous schedule that made him almost fall asleep on stage? And that’s supposed to make me feel better? I read another article where it went into a little more detail and said that they didn’t even start debate prep until 11 am each day at Camp David, and included scheduled time for an afternoon nap, so it’s not exactly like they were working him like a rented mule. This makes it seem so much worse, imo. The president has to do a lot more strenuous stuff than debates, and if he’s worthless for weeks after two days of travel, that doesn’t bode well for the coming campaign season.
It’s kind of sad, but we have to temper expectations on both of the candidates. These two both hit retirement age over a decade ago and we’re trying to put them in potentially the most stressful job in the nation.
- Hostilities were mostly over, but these two were technically alive during World War 2.
- The first meeting of the United Nations was after these two were born.
- The current incarnation of India as a country is younger than these two.
- They’re both older than NATO.
- We only had 48 states when these two were born.
- These two were already out of high school when Martin Luther King delivered his speech.
I could just keep going forever on these. I am not sure that this is the job for anyone so far removed from their prime.
said that they didn’t even start debate prep until 11 am each day at Camp David
Do we know what he was doing before 11am? He has other duties besides preparing for the debate. While probably his most important immediate task, he still needs to take briefings on things like the wars in Ukraine and Gaza, the consequences of recent SCOTUS decisions, and the dumbass shit that Trump said.
I agree that this doesn’t make me feel better about him, but I don’t think that starting debate prep at 11am and taking an afternoon nap means that Biden was slacking off. It may just mean that he’s got other things to worry about.
That’s fair. I’m more addressing a narrative that emerged within 48hrs of the debate that the debate prep team irresponsibly overworked Biden
Sure doesn’t, but they’re grasping as many straws as they can
That’s what they get for holding the debate during nap time.
It’s not like national emergencies happen after 7pm Eastern Time…
Fucking hell, he’s toast. Replace him or we’ll get trump.
Replace him and we’ll get Trump
Anyone calling to replace him with no fucking plan is hoping for exactly that.
Your binary thinking isn’t helping you at all. Check my comment history and tell me I want trump.
There’s only one way you’re not getting Trump, and that’s by voting for Biden and making sure as many other people do too. Complaining that you don’t like your choices, while a valid and understandable complaint, isn’t going to get you any closer to what you want at this point in the election cycle.
So when people tell you that “you want Trump”, it’s not necessarily that they think you’re an actual Trump supporter. They’re saying that you’re asking for a series of events that would undoubtedly hand the presidency to Trump, and now in order to oppose Fascism we also have to oppose you, because you stand in the way of the Fascist losing the election. It’s easier to group you in with everyone else carrying water for Trump than to logically separate you just because your motivations aren’t pro-fascism, but rather self-destructive idealism.
To us, it feels like you’re all being idealists and thinking that everyone thinks like you. News flash: they don’t. The average American will look at Biden and either decide not to vote or vote for the other guy.
I don’t care where you decide to group us, but please try to understand there are people trying to win this election and keep fascism from overtaking this country and those people might have a different approach that is worth considering.
I’ll consider that when I meet one of those people.
…and who’s being the “self-destructive idealist” now?
That’s the “only way”??? Are you sure?!
People calling for him to step aside are desperate for something to happen as soon as possible so that people have as much time as possible to rally behind the next candidate.
The longer this gets drawn out the higher the chance that Trump gets elected.
I’m not saying you want Trump. I’m saying doing what you’re doing isn’t helpful.
And what you’re doing isn’t helpful either. We can’t just ignore what is happening and continue to push forward with an obviously problematic candidate.
The Dollar Store dictator is dead even with the dementia patient – this is not acceptable. Any alternative candidate (for either party) would be a massive improvement, at this point. Stop denying it.
I’m not denying it. I’m saying having an actual plan in the really-real world where we’re all going to the polls to vote in 4 months is necessary. I personally can’t imagine a plan that doesn’t start with a Biden endorsement but I am receptive to ideas.
If there isn’t a real live actual viable plan that can be executed; where enough voters can rally around the plan and candidate and not be butt-hurt and vengeful that their primary vote is being discarded and show up at the polls to vote for democracy then Trump will win.
And until that plan is made and executed whinging about Biden isn’t helpful. We all saw the debate. We know the situation.
In the eternal words of Mike Tyson, “Everybody has a plan until they get punched in the face.” Biden’s debate performance was a punch in America’s face.
I agree that we need a NEW plan, but we cannot just stick to the old plan and old candidate, simply because somebody’s feelings might get hurt. We have not yet held either convention, so there is time to find and coalesce around a new candidate.
No one is saying this situation is ideal, but considering the recent SCOTUS rulings and geopolitical sentiments, we cannot just continue to ignore that something is undeniably wrong with Biden.
I think that it isn’t unrealistic for the Biden campaign to transition to the Kamala campaign, or Whitmer campaign, or Newsom campaign etc etc. and recycle much of extent infrastructure there. It just requires Biden to do what’s right for the country and hand over the keys.
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These two comments sum up the dilemma
replier plays games to deflect their illiteracy.
CoercingConvincing someone who doesn’t want the job is not a solution.Find a doppelganger who can pretend to be Michelle Obama like Saddam Hussein did.
replier plays games to deflect their illiteracy.
lol - I’m not the one who deleted and replaced my entire comment.
I purposely left the part you complained about so people could see the context.
And the point I made was it didn’t matter the difference in word choice. The original point still stands; “Coerce” or “convince”.
lol, i dindu wot u said but she said then I did, but I didn’t, so there, lolol.!
The point still stands tho!
Which part confused you? I’m happy to help you understand if you like.
I think it’s too late to replace him unless he decides to step down. Of course they could use the 25th amendment but I doubt they will. When Trump was in office, they brought up the 25th amendment nonstop
His trips to Europe were two weeks before the debate…
Anyway, I thought they were blaming a cold and/or being over-prepared…
His team is in shambles. It’s a fucking disgrace. It’ll cost us the Republic.
All of the above and whatever else they can think of
Oh well that makes it so much better.
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Don’t be rough on him, he’s not all there anymore
He probably wasn’t thinking clearly, or he may have been half asleep. Who knows?
his time as career politician should have been an indication but everyone seems lost on the fact he likes the color blue and has a different name other than Trump
maybe colors and letters are not the best indicator of how someone will perform on the job
Then again, you could look at their actual track records.
Ali has a great track record…
But it would be insane to put him in a heavyweight title bout today and act like he has a chance.
Hell, if his kids and managers talked him into it, I’d want it investigated for elder abuse.
And he’s 7 years younger than Biden.
Muhammad Ali? The guy that died in 2016? And yes, I’d prefer him to Trump. Even dead he’d do a better job than the Orange Baboon.
Well, most of those points are still valid. It would be insane to put him in a heavyweight title bout today. He wouldn’t stand a chance.
I would also like his kids and managers investigated if they somehow “talked him into it”.
Exactly.
Being a better president than trump is not some insurmountable task that only Biden can accomplish.
It’s something 99.99% of the living population also meets, even some dead citizens
Absolutely. Not beating Trump in an election is unfortunately not as easy when the system is so blatantly skewed in his favour. Swapping out Biden at this point carries lots of risk.
Keeping Biden is a risk…
He’s at 37% approval. 56% disapproval on recent polls. That’s worse than trump and historically an incumbent that low will be a one term president. I think Carter is the only dem that tried for re-election in modern political history with numbers that low, and he lost.
Which everyone is just ignoring for some reason.
Incumbency is only a bonus when people like you. And for a variety of reasons, people don’t like Joe Biden.
You’re overestimating people there I think. I don’t expect people who worship Trump would do any better than he would, so you’re down to at most like 70%.
If only both candidates had been president before and we could compare their times in office.
Oh well, I guess we have to assume that both candidates are exactly the same…
I think they see the same thing we see, a pushover that they can control. That explains why his policies and stance on things is not the same as it used to be
