• Frank Ring@lemmy.world
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    4 months ago

    I might look more into it.

    But whatever you’re explaining seems way too idealistic. To me at least.

    Everything obviously has power dynamics. The worker and the manager, for example.

    Capitalists have their own power. Coming from wealth and private ownership.

    And socialists also have their own. Coming from equality and collectivity.

    But I think expecting everything to be all nice, free, equal and collective is too good to be true. You have to be competent, useful and valuable to society.

    I have a friend and neighbor that is 68 and never worked in his entire life. Now, he’s quite intelligent but he decided to live on welfare his whole life because he could. I have absolutely zero respect for that. You talk so much about exploitation and abuse. Here’s an example of someone who abused and exploited a socialist system with his laziness and uselessness.

    Just like making everything private isn’t the right solution either.

    • Cowbee [he/him]
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      4 months ago

      Capitalists have their own power. Coming from wealth and private ownership.

      And socialists also have their own. Coming from equality and collectivity.

      What power do Socialists have in a Capitalist system? This makes no sense.

      But I think expecting everything to be all nice, free, equal and collective is too good to be true. You have to be competent, useful and valuable to society.

      Who is saying that everything should be “nice, free, equal and collective?” What does that word salad even mean? Why do you think Socialists wouldn’t be useful to society, and why do you think parasitic Capitalists are useful?

      I have a friend and neighbor that is 68 and never worked in his entire life. Now, he’s quite intelligent but he decided to live on welfare his whole life because he could. I have absolutely zero respect for that. You talk so much about exploitation and abuse. Here’s an example of someone who abused and exploited a socialist system with his laziness and uselessness.

      Not only is Welfare not Socialism, but this person has stolen far less from the Workers than Capitalists do every single day.

      Please, read theory. It’s clear that you’re just vibing your takes and don’t actually understand the underlying mechanisms.

      • octopus_ink
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        4 months ago

        Not only is Welfare not Socialism, but this person has stolen far less from the Workers than Capitalists do every single day.

        Why is this so hard to get for people?