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The American message is designed to get the Lebanese-based Shiite militia to back down and de-escalate the brewing crisis along the Israeli-Lebanese border, a person familiar with the discussions said.
I’m not quite sure that’s the right approach. It discourages brinkmanship, but also encourages them and Iran to go all-in since broader Israeli action is coming either way. Y’know, the way Iran didn’t with that rocket exchange, because the US seemed present and reasonable enough to negotiate with.
Us arms and aid won’t save the idf from hizbollah
If we’re talking about just arms vs. arms, Hezbollah is far weaker. They probably have the ability to draw Israel into a lengthy guerilla war a la Afghanistan, which will eventually make Israel admit the whole thing is pointless, but that also would mean that Iran doesn’t decide to join in the fight. I still think Israel would have the stronger military in that case, but the bigger issue there would be that out of those three groups, only Israel has nukes and they aren’t concerned about the spread of fallout if they lob one at Tehran like they would be in Gaza.
Israel lost to Hezbollah twice before and they were nowhere near as strong now.
Lost in what way? In that Hezbollah still exists? Because see above re guerilla war.
Lost twice: 2000 and 2006. You may want to read some history.
Let’s just say we went from the Zionist settlers having a security buffer inside Lebanon, to Hezbollah having a security buffer inside Occupied Palestine.
Anyways, I don’t care to convince you. You will see it soon enough.
Yes. Through guerilla warfare. Which was my point.
Genocide Joe says he’s good for more Genocide. Not less Genocide.
More news at 11.
Me, as a non American, every time I read genocide Joe I feel the cringe vibes crawling to me. It’s genocide america
True. Blaming the genocide on Joe Biden misses the point that the genocide will be happening no matter who is president.
Which in turn ignores the fact that only Biden is CURRENTLY the president and accountable for his own actions (which include material aid and political cover to the point that the US in general and the executive branch in particular is an active PARTICIPANT in the genocide rather than just a biased bystander) and that he’s acting against the wishes of not just the vast majority of the people who voted for him, but also the majority of the population in general.
I don’t like the use of the term either, as it makes legitimate criticism seem disingenuous if not downright Trumpian, but that doesn’t mean that it’s inaccurate.
I do agree with you. Biden can stop it but chooses not to, he is a Zionist. But no one will become US president unless they are Zionists until something is done about AIPAC. Biden is as guilty as he can be, and it the same time completely irrelevant, just a warm body that will be replaced with another.
I get what you’re saying, but I strenuously disagree with your central assertion that there’s no point in legitimate criticism of a sitting president as long as there isn’t currently a better president available.
You don’t just get a free pass to commit crimes against humanity because there’s nobody lined up who wouldn’t.
That’s lumping the US president in with the likes of Viktor Orban, Vladimir Putin, Benyamin Netanyahu, and other presidents whose subjects aren’t allowed to criticize their worst actions.
What I was trying to say is that the president is a symptom and focusing on the president distracts from the system that elects them, because good people do exist and the majority oppose what Biden is doing, they just don’t seem to make it on the ballot. But you are right we can walk and chew gum at the same time, I am not taking any agency away from Biden, he is going to hell according to his own believes anyways.
Joe Biden is currently in charge of the Genocide weapons and protecting israel against repercussions.
If Trump takes his place it will be Terror Trump or something. But there is most definitely a final responsible person.
For now Biden is the one in charge and the one fully able to stop it if he wills. So Genocide Joe it is.
the AIPAC is $12 million balls deep inside Biden’s ass. He’s their removed but he’s also s politician who says whatever pleases the public in the same time.
Firstly, you are mistaking the puppet with the puppeteer.
Secondly, we are still dealing with the consecuences of USA backed state terrorism and USSR backed terrorism in my country. Fuck Biden and Trump, im calling responsibility on you.
Hezbollah attacked Israel on the 8th of October and supported Hamas attacking and kidnapping civilians on the 7th October.
Iran is actively supporting conflicts in the Middle East, Europe and Africa. So either we start talking about the religious fanatics or we just accept the USA as the world police and we should just do as they tell us to do.
I’d personally prefer the former…
Hezbollah did not attack israel on October 8.
Hezbollah attacked terrorists colonizing the Golan Heights. Those terrorists are illegally occupying Syrian land in violation of international law.
I’m m ok with you rewriting it as long as you agree that Israel was attacked by Hezbollah on the 8th and that Hezbollah supports, not condemning, the war crimes of Hamas on the 7th.
No israel attacked Hezbollah this has just been clearly explained and is not disputed.
Hezbollah defended itself against israeli aggression.
Please elaborate and feel free to edit Wikipedia:
On 8 October 2023, the Lebanese militant group Hezbollah, taking advantage of the Israel–Hamas war, fired guided rockets and artillery shells at Israeli positions in the occupied Shebaa Farms. Israel retaliated by launching drone strikes and artillery shells at Hezbollah positions near Lebanon’s boundary with the Israeli-occupied Golan Heights. The outbreak of the conflict had followed Hezbollah’s declaration of support and praise for the Hamas attack on Israel, which took place on 7 October.
That Wikipedia article is written like pure Zionist propaganda and it still doesn’t say that Hezbollah attacked israel.
the occupied Shebaa Farms.
Israeli-occupied Golan Heights.
Because no matter how many fluff words you include, the Golan Heights are not part of israel and those NaziDF members have absolutely no right to be there.
Thank you for this comprehensive account of all the events that have led to the current situation and for presenting us with the only two options available.
I could write my comment since I live in a democracy with freedom of speech… something I would not be able to do if I lived in Gaza because of Hamas.
I know you think you prices something there but if you were right there wouldn’t have been any mass protests with thousands of people demonstrating against how Israel is currently acting.
When did you see anything like that against Hamas in Gaza?
Either Hamas, which were elected to govern in Gaza, represents the Palestinian people or Hamas rules with an iron fist, effectively oppressing the Palestinians right to express their opinions.
You can’t have it both ways.
I don’t want Israel and Hezbollah to go to war, but what will ‘talking about the religious fanatics’ achieve?
Nothing except for deflection of blame for the many war crimes of the fascist apartheid regime of Netanyahu, Ben-Gvir and Smotrich.
I agree that’s where the blame lies, but even if they were right and the problem was religious fanaticism, talking about it achieves nothing.
It does for the genocide denying Zionists whose ONLY goal is to convince people that the actions of the Israeli government are justified. I suspect that the one you originally addressed was one of them, if not just a thoroughly gaslighted useful idiot 🤷
Again, I agree with you. But OP made the implication that if we just talked this out, then there would be no war there and I wanted to nip that in the bud from the source before we even got into whether or not the OP was being disingenuous.
I feel like the best way to attack such things is by talking about how they are illogical or irrational arguments irrespective of the intentions of the person making them.
Just because Hezbollah are not atheists does not make them religious fanatics. Sure, they talk about God every sentence but that’s just traits from being Muslims. There are Muslims who pray for safety before going into a bathroom. Muslims generally call on God for everything; even where it wouldn’t make sense to a Jew, Christian, atheist, etc.
If they were less religious, would you be OK for them defending their land more? You are failing into a trap that the Muslims defending themselves are doing it through religious fanaticism. You are falling into pro-Zionism propaganda. They just happen to be Muslims who are defending themselves while trying to process their actions internally in a way that fits their identity. It’s not a religious war; it’s Levantine people vs non-Levantine people.
I wasn’t the one talking about religious fanatics, I was criticizing the person talking about them. Maybe you should reply to the person I replied to rather than berate me for what I didn’t say and they did.
Looks like you’re right. Taking another look at your conversation, it seems you were arguing with a Hasbera (is that how its spelled).
What you fail to understand is that Israel is a foreign colonial force and therefore has no right to self defense or to even exist. The only religious fanatics are the Zionist invaders who are trying to fulfill Iron Age mythologies about a Promised Land.
“The only religious fanatics are the Zionist…”
Yeah, I’m pretty sure millions of women in Iran beg to differ.
