Hey now. Rogue One is out there.
Definitely a top 4 Star Wars movie. Possibly top 2.
I really loved that one character has a French accent, because he’s from the planet France.
Oh god, the horror of having a completely french planet.
French planet? Sounds basé.
It’s cool they’re really sexy.
The Twi’lek planet, Ryloth, is the French planet
french planet would have quebecouis moon that thinks they’re better than the planet
Do the think they’re better than France? Or just better than the rest Canada, and American tourists?
My buddy’s wife was raised by French Canadians, he said they tend to have a superiority complex over actual France 🤷♂️
And they would be correct at that.
Despite some of the stupif shit like explaining why his name is Solo I liked the han solo movie too
I’m ok with all of the stupid stuff except for that scene. It’s Star Wars, it’s fine to be stupid, but “my name is Han and I’m here by myself” crossed the line.
Haven’t seen it, but that just sounds like a poorly written Ellis Island scene.
It’s worth a watch. Probably best to smoke a joint first, it’s not exactly a thinker. But it’s a fun movie, and a lot of Star Wars seems to be lacking in fun lately. But be prepared for the cringe in one particular scene.
The most yeehaw Star Wars there was since Star Wars
Honestly, if it was a sci-fi heist movie that was unrelated to Star Wars, I think people would have liked it a lot.
I really do wonder what might have been if it released before, rather than after, The Last Jedi. I only ended up seeing it because I got to go to a free screening with the new chewie, and it was a fun movie. I think at least on par with the prequels, but certainly more felt more “star wars” then the Sequels.
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Couldn’t disagree more. You’d miss out on such bangers as “Congratulations, you are being rescued. Please do not resist.”
Fun fact; in the scene where K2SO slaps Cassian while pretending he’s a prisoner, Alan ad-libbed the “And there’s a fresh one…” line, and Diego Luna immediately cracked the fuck up during the take, but being a total pro he manages to (almost) hide it behind his hand while pretending he’s holding his face. Alan’s delivery was so good that they kept the take.
Witty one liners are all well and good, but they don’t exactly make for a well paced or interesting story.
Funny, i really thought the movie fell apart towards the end
Rogue One is how you do two acts of slow burn, followed by a third act that gives you payoff for your patience.
The first season of Picard is exactly how not to do that.
Slow burn is great when you have strong character writing and world building. These are things of which Rogue One has virtually none.
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I liked Andor :(
Andor is amazing!
Andor is the kind of show where I would literally recommend it to someone who hates Star Wars. It’s just such an incredibly raw, powerful, and vital piece of media. One of the finest works of anti-fascist art I’ve seen in a long time.
Anyone who hasn’t watched that show is robbing themselves. Moments like “one way out” and Luthen’s “sacrifice” monologue are going to live with me for a long time. Season 2 can’t come soon enough.
Also B2EMO is the best droid in all of Star Wars (Fun fact; his voice is the puppeteer’s, but it wasn’t supposed to be. They were planning to overdub, but then the guy did such an amazing job on the set that they just gave him the role).
Andor worked despite being Star Wars, not because of it. It very well could be even better for people who don’t like SW. Knowing how it fits into the larger universe is nice, but it isn’t required. It’s just a good anti-fascist freedom fighter story that happens to use Star Wars language and aesthetics.
I’m not sure I fully agree there. I think it’s absolutely accurate to say that Andor didn’t need to be Star Wars. Like, you absolutely could file all the serial numbers off and get a show that works in more or less exactly the same way.
With that said, I think Andor absolutely benefits from being Star Wars, in a couple of a ways.
The first is that they can skip all the broad strokes world building. We don’t need the concept of the galactic empire explained to us, or the general structure of how the senate works, and so on. The big pieces are all in place, so they can get straight to the small scale world building instead. This would be a solvable problem if you were creating something new, but its definitely nice that they get to skip straight to the important bits this way.
The second, bigger benefit (IMO) is the juxtaposition created by the tonal shift. Something that’s very notable about Star Wars is that the tone and the content are often rather at odds with each other. George Lucas is on record as saying that in his mind the Rebellion were the Viet-Cong (with the obvious implication that the Empire is the USA). That’s some fucking heavy shit. Luke’s adoptive parents get brutally murdered by agents of the state, for absolutely no crime at all, and this inspires him to take up with a group of, well, terrorists. I mean, this is literally the same as a young Palestinian joining up with Hamas. Star Wars is about some really, really heavy shit, but it also starts with the line “A long time ago in a galaxy far, far away…” This is a fairy-tale about magic space wizards, but also a story about insurgents blowing up a massive military installation, and eventually performing a coup and assassinating the head of state.
Over the years, the story around Star Wars has leaned increasingly into the “magic space wizards” side of things. It’s seen as a family friendly property, something for kids to enjoy at Disneyland. The creators of Andor set out to intentionally shock the audience by creating something that leans hard away from that family friendly image. Andor is a fucking dark story, about desperate people adopting brutal methods in the face of brutal oppression.
And they’re not just doing that for shock value. The point of this is to tell a story about the ways in which we idealise “rebels” in one breath and condemn “terrorists” in another. To many people, Luke is a hero, but that young man who joins up with Hamas is a monster. Reality is complicated and messy. Hamas are a real political group, with a real ideology, and despite the monstrous oppression they face, some of that ideology really sucks. Their targets aren’t “Storm Troopers”, they’re often civilians, or conscripts. On the other hand, many of those conscripts behave in ways far more monstrous than anything the empire is ever depicted as doing.
Andor is a story about fascism, about the absolute necessity of resisting it, and about the monstrous personal cost that resistance can demand of us. By setting that story against the backdrop of a “family friendly” property I think it really does a lot to drive home the disconnect between our ideals of resistance and the cold, hard reality.
It’s fucking jarring when the ISB name drop Palpatine. You completely forget it’s star wars at some points
anti-fascist freedom fighter story
I mean that’s arguably what Star Wars is.
The Prequels and Sequels each flubbed it in their own way by being either too meandering or too self-obsessed, but Andor is basically a forceless movie trilogy broken into episodes.
Andor is really slow art. It takes a while to build, but once you’re in, you’re hooked. Can’t wait for season 2, either. People were really concerned when Disney took over SW, and the modern movies are pretty mid (except Rogue One, which is amazing), however the series that have come out of their takeover have been mostly fantastic or at the very least just enjoyable. Andor and Mandalorian being the stars. Boba Fett was pretty disappointing though.
I don’t know that you even have to know anything about Star Wars to enjoy Andor. It’s not like Star Wars lore was super important. The Force and Jedi are not even parts of the plot.
Andor was worth the 250m they spent on it
Hell yeah it is
Not a movie so it’s fine. That and the Ewoks TV show ofc
What a banger https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1WFjM3QWKlE
Lies, there’s the prequel Rogue One.
That’s it though.
Rogue One blew my mind. Absolutely loved it.
I know it’s probably an unpopular opinion but I liked Solo too. The parts I didn’t enjoy were the callbacks and stuff. I didn’t need to see all those, but I watched it twice and didn’t regret it.
There’s no such thing as a popular star wars opinion anymore. Fearlessly enjoy your favorites and don’t worry about what other people tell you.
I think Solo is decent as long as you try and forget the main character is Han Solo.
Solo has some interesting parts, mainly in the beginning.
You and I are the same.
No, there’s the original trilogy, the prequels, and the “Oh, it was Palpatine the whole time. …again. How original.”
8 really ruined it. 7 had problems but I could forgive some of them because “Disney still trying to figure it out.”
Then 8 happened. Closed off all story threads from 7 without any fanfare at all, and closed off all of its own potential threads within itself, leaving absolutely nothing for 9 to follow up on. Multiple character assassinations, and the entire Canto section could be deleted from the film and zero context would be lost.
9 was never going to succeed. It couldn’t have. There was nothing for it to build on from 8.
What story threads? There were no story threads. There was hopeful fans who wanted to create things out of thin air. That’s about it. There was more from 8 to lead off from than 7.
8 gets a lot of hate along with the rest of the sequels, and I remember being pissed off of its scorched earth treatment of every single plot point from 7 after watching it in the movie theatre, but looking back… at least it tried to be original. The scenes are visually memorable, and its message that even nobody can rise up to be a hero, is miles better than… whatever the 9 did with Rey.
I can’t understand why people think it was original. It felt like the storylines from ESB and RoTJ were thrown into a blender.
Like when the they go with Benicio del Toro I initially thought “well he’s going to betray them like Lando did”. But then I thought “nah… that’s too obvious” But nope, it didn’t do anything new other than removing the point of Lando’s plotline.
When Kylo Ren kill Snoke, it was just like Vader killing the Emperor.
I guess it’s original because it’s the only Star Wars movie where Luke Skywalker dies? Even then he faded away like Obi Wan did, but I guess because it’s Luke Skywalker it’s different somehow? Maybe because he cast an illusion spell before it happened? Like what’s actually original in TLJ?
They had Andy Serkis playing a villain in a Star Wars movie. With basically a blank slate that they could do anything with. Instead, nothing.
There was a mystery about who Rey is. Could reveal something interesting there. Instead they went with she’s related to nobodies. But nobodies that the First Order seemed to know about for some reason.
What was Luke looking for on that island? I guess nothing, he just went there to be a hermit or whatever.
Who are the Knights of Ren? Not even mentioned.
What did TLJ set up for the next movie? Rey and Kylo Ren fight? Rey and Kylo Ren kiss? Both of these things happen in RoS and it took like five minutes of screen time. Kylo Ren was the only villain left and there were maybe a couple dozen Resistance left at the end to TLJ. There wasn’t much they could do other than bring back an old villain, Ian McDiarmid was available so… somehow Palpatine returned.
I actually respect RoS for not trying to give some bullshit explanation. It’s just like “you like the Emperor, right?” Yup. “Well here he is. Darkside-cloning-whatever” Good enough for me! Now show him shooting lightning bolts! “Sure! BZZZZZZzzzzzzzzzz!”
3/5 stars, because it showed Emperor Palpatine blast an X-Wing with lightning. RoS gave no fucks and I love it for that.
7 put Luke hiding on an island while a war was going on and left 8 to take the flak for explaining why. There was no way to make 8 without pissing people off.
Luke was one small puzzle piece of that shitpile
Then I don’t understand. 8 developed Poe further by exploring the character arc for the daring overconfident pilot. Finn was given a reason to fight for the rebellion instead of trying to run away with Rey every 5 minutes. We got some absolutely great character development with Rey having a natural inclination to the dark side which builds on the fact she used the dark side to defeat Kylo in 7, and we use her as a lens to explore the “born special” trope in Star Wars, getting into more of her past history and getting satisfying answers.
Yeah Disney cheaping out on paying Mark Hamill for more than one movie (other than cameos) was probably the biggest problem with the ST. But TFA portrayed Luke Skywalker with a cameo better than TLJ which had him for a whole movie.
Sure Disney killing off the character that symbolizes hope to save money was always going to piss people off, but FFS at least give us one movie where Luke goes on an adventure to save the galaxy. And the ending where “it was all just illusion” made me think “well this movie sucked… he never even left that fucking island, but at least he’s still alive so maybe he’ll do something in the next one” then the movie is like “haha nope!” It was the most infuriating way to handle a studio mandated character death possible.
Luke using an illusion to save the rebellion was the best ending to the arc they established. He spends the whole movie angry that everyone is mythologising him and expecting him to be perfect. Then he uses his myth to trick the bad guys. If he’d showed up in person, he would have been giving in to the pressure to be this mythical figure. His arc would have been accepting that everyone who thinks Luke Skywalker is perfect is right. But instead, he uses the myth for shenanigans, which is a very much Luke-like thing to do.
It’s all just Meta wankery to me. Like the writer is thinking “how do I portray this character has reached mythological levels in our culture? I know I’ll make the movie about that! I’m so brilliant!” Fap fap fap
It’s a “sir, this is a Wendy’s” kind of thing. This is a Star Wars. Fun action adventure movie. Kind of movie kids wear costumes when they go see it. It’s not that I don’t understand the “Star Wars movies are an illusion, but if that illusion inspires children, that’s what really matters!” message to it. And it’s not that the message is wrong. It’s just that it’s obvious and boring.
It’s fine to have this kind of wankery in a Knives Out kind of movie or whatever, but it’s a Star Wars FFS. Pew pew pew voom voom. The challenge is to have a message in the subtext of a fun action adventure, not to spew out an obvious and shallow message overlayed on top of the action that’s constantly telling the audience the movie isn’t real. We know it’s not real, but make a movie that lets us turn off our phones and pretend it’s real for a few hours.
Star Wars is about Taoist philosophy. The following two movies are about how America’s war on Vietnam is unjust, and the next three are about 9/11, which is really fucking clever because 9/11 hadn’t even happened yet when the first one came out and George Lucas successfully predicted it. Star Wars has always been about high-minded philosophy and politics. Your comment rests on the assumption that Star Wars is mindless entertainment that never comments on the real world, but that’s always been false.
And the ST is about Vladimir Putin working in the background before revealing that fascism has been there this whole time, we just didn’t notice. Somehow fascism returned! An authoritarian with thousands of super weapons capable of destroying entire cities suddenly attacks out of nowhere and everyone in the world has to band together to help the resistance.
Putin’s invasion of Ukraine didn’t happen yet, but JJ Abrams predicted it! The JJ Abrams Star Wars movies were about high-minded philosophy and politics.
Your comment rests on the assumption that JJ Abrams movies are mindless entertainment that never comments on the real world, but that’s always been false.
Really though, the JJ Abrams movies have quite a lot to say about the emotional paths to fascism. From indoctrination to bad relationships with a father figure, the relationship to our ancestors, our need to restore a past empire. It’s all there. The prequels are very dated, just immature shots being fired at a W. Bush and Newt Gingrich. The JJ Abrams movies explore the emotions that lead fascism, which will always be relevant.
Ever see the statue of a confederate general being removed? If you did, you’d see a reproduction of an evil guy that died a long time ago being moved around with a crane. What do you see at the beginning of RoS again? You might see it as mindless entertainment but there’s a message there, it’s just that JJ Abrams isn’t spoon-feeding it to you.
Oh… soooooo say i’ve seen 8, but never got around to seeing 9… I should just chill and consider it done?
You should forget 7 or 8 ever existed and skip 9 completely.
This is the optimal solution.
I hadn’t seen 9 for the longest time and just read online how stupid it was. Then I watched it with that expectation and yes, totally confirmed. If anything you might want to watch it to see what a dumpster fire it is. But don’t prioritize it over other stuff you want to watch.
Except 9 isn’t “so bad it’s good,” it’s just bad. I would not recommend anyone watch episodes 7-9 at all.
I didn’t say its so bad that its good. I said its a dumpster fire.
Yup I was just chiming in to clarify for any other Lemmy users who could have gotten the wrong impression. Episode 9 is a dumpster fire with no redeeming qualities and should be avoided at all costs
Yes probably. I forget if it had a single good scene.
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TLJ was just ESB and RoTJ thrown into a blender while removing the point of everything.
I feel like with TLJ I watched a different movie than everyone else. I didn’t dislike it because it was different, I disliked it because it was unoriginal, a reboot that followed a reboot.
If you think 7 is good you are a hopeless movie watcher, it set up nothing just typical jj abrams mystery boxes, is a straight up rehashing of A new hope and it did nothing of note. 8 tried to deviate from another shadowy mysterious bad guy aka Wish.com palpatine and do something different and it did it well.
And then 9 is a straight up piece of shit the only good part of it is the first montage with Kylo Ten being the boss and fucking shit up, they really dropped the ball by backpedaling from 8
I didn’t say 7 was good, only that I was willing to be more forgiving since it was Disney’s first Star Wars film.
8 did nothing well but destroy Star Wars at every turn. I would say because of what it did, I consider 9 to be better than 8. 9 could never have been good, and that is completely the fault of 8.
9 is a flaming piece of shit on every level. I think its even insulting to call it a movie given how fucking shit it is.
How can you say that 9 is better than 8 because 8 destoryed stuff (what exactly?) Meanwhile 9 literally destroys the whole OT and PT story arc of Anakin/Vader
I’m just here to second the opinion that, while 7 was uninteresting, 8 basically destroyed Star Wars as a franchise, and that as imperfect as 9 is, it’s practically a miracle that it was as good as it was with what it had to follow.
Episode 9 was the worst thing in existence, well would have been if not for Season 8 of GoT.
They had a proper face-off of who can make the worst fucking thing in existence
RoS seemed consistent with the OT to me. Well Rey doesn’t bring Palpatine back from the dark side (she doesn’t even try) but that’s because it’s impossible to redeem someone who’s dead. It’s a contrast between the relationship to family and relationship to ancestors. Nice message about not being defined by our ancestors which children learning about the horrible things their ancestors did might connect with.
But other than that it’s the same “destinies and prophecies are for suckers” as Star Wars has always been.
A pity they already had the entire EU to work from and decided to obliterate it all… until they fucked up their own shit so badly they started bringing it back.
We could have had another trilogy centered around an established strong female character.
Mara Jade.
Sure, mix and match in some new ideas to make it work better as films than novels. The idea of Finn (a defecting stormtrooper) absolutely works in this setting.
But the original cast is too old for that time period!
Well we’ve now seen that Luke can be portrayed reasonably well with another actor and face and voice changing tech.
Have a whole trilogy set in basically the Mando/Asoka time period, but use the Mandalorians in a more adult story about the difficulty of establishing and maintaining alliances when the New Republic is young, the Imperial Remnant still exists, and now basically its chaos as various factions are picking sides.
Thrawn can be the big bad, but his presence is barely hinted at in 7, makes his appearance in 8 and has a major victory, and is defeated in 9.
You could even work in Boba Fett and Asoka! Maybe Thrawn sends Fett to assassinate Luke in 8 and he is seriously wounded or his new gaggle of Jedi trainees are fucked up, but Asoka helps Luke fend him off on the Millennium Falcon!
But uh nope, instead we got A New Hope v2, A B and C plot clusterfuck with a side of break hyperspace and all space combat lore, followed by Duct Tape and Bullshit.
We could have had another trilogy centered around an established strong female character.
Mara Jade.
The character that could’ve broken the barrier against having older women do action would’ve been Princess Leia. And they were too gutless to have her do anything. She was in a coma for most of TLJ and hid in a bunker (too afraid to face her own son) for the rest of it. They say they make movies about strong women, but it’s only if they’re young. You can have older men do action, but they aren’t going to have an older woman do action.
Excellent point, I totally agree.
We got a poorly written Holdo instead, closest thing to a strong older female character… I think she shoots a blaster… once?
Only older woman doing action in a recent major movie I can think of is Sarah Connor.
Brought back Ford for another Indi movies, that whole series with Liam Neeson, all of the Expendables movies, etc.
But yeah, the voice and face morph tech was basically available, they could have used Hamil and Fisher for the lines and most of the acting (you know, CGI and/or stunt doubles for the more intense action scenes same as basically every actor over 50 other than Tom Cruise), just maybe de age their voices and faces a tad to be set more proximally after 6, and focus more on her training, grand tragedy of her and han and Jacen becoming Caedus…
There is absolutely enough established lore there that could be worked into a trilogy focusing on the growth of Leia, showcasing a strong mother and warrior and diplomat/leader.
It is honestly completely baffling to me still that they threw out the EU. Sure, not all the plot lines are great, but they could have gone in so many directions with it.
I had always assumed the obvious problem with making a new trilogy would be:
Ok, we have so, so much established canon to work with, what parts of it can we focus on or interweave and tweak a bit to tell precisely the kind if story we want?
But nope, they just fucking binned it all.
Yeah maybe I’m just bitter because they advertised TLJ as “being about strong women” and it made me think we were going to see Leia do some bad ass shit with a light saber. I was so down for that. Instead she Mary Poppinsed her way across the screen and was in a coma for most of the movie.
Having older people do action is always a challenge, check the scene where Liam Neeson is climbing over a fence and there’s like 20 cuts before he makes it. But Star Wars is the kind of thing where that isn’t much of an issue. Carrie Fisher could wave around a s stick and throw out her hand and with some CGI she’s be deflecting blaster shots and throwing around Stormtroopers using the force.
Instead we don’t see Leia with a lightsaber until RoS and it’s CGI. Don’t get me wrong, I appreciate them finally showing Leia with a lightsaber. I will always defend RoS because of this… and Palpatine blasting X-Wings with lightning bolts, because fuck it, it’s Star Wars have some fun people.
Ok, we have so, so much established canon to work with, what parts of it can we focus on or interweave and tweak a bit to tell precisely the kind if story we want?
Yeah but you gotta consider what Star Wars is about at it’s core: some kids going on an adventure to save the galaxy. A lot of the EU wouldn’t work because the actors that portray the characters are too old to do those stories in the same way. Still they should’ve had Leia with a lightsaber and bring in Thrawn, who could have some younger underlings himself. And yeah Mara Jade could make an appearance too, but it wouldn’t be a starring role. But at least have the older characters doing things to help and maybe have the good old “I’ll deal with this” thing happen so the kids can get away.
TFA was the best of the three because Han Solo did stuff. Luke and Leia just didn’t feel all that relevant in the other movies. I give RoS a pass because Luke Skywalker was dead in the story and Carrie Fisher was dead in real life. Not much could be done at that point. TLJ was where things needed to go down, but it just didn’t.
There is no Sequel Trilogy in Ba Sing Se.
Here we are safe. Here we are free.
There are eight movies and no sequel trilogy:
Last Turn To The Dark Side (prequel single movie cut)
Kenobi (Patterson Cut)
Rogue One
New Hope
Holiday Special
Lego Holiday Special
ESB
ROTJI wouldn’t even be mad if someone came back and actually made 7-9. Not a repeat of 4-6 that was called 7-9.
the local theater (we had one in our town) kept star wars playing (and only star wars) for a year. it wasn’t until around grease and jaws2 that they played anything else.
same thing happened for the other two films of what became the original trilogy.
basically turned me off to the whole ‘franchise’. all the films star wars kept from me as a small town kid by being on eternal repeat in the only theater accessible to me at the time.
i did see the original first three films–one time each, the first week of their initial runs.
but none since.
Episode 3 is really good.
Yeah, I love Return of the Jedi.
You mean the one with the four armed cyborg with a silly name that made parents think it was a kids move which resulted in children watching a movie where a guy murders a bunch of children because his teachers didn’t give him enough respect?
How that’s bad? The bad thing is how quickly the guy decides that is all over and start murdering children.
Sure it wouldn’t be bad if it was just a kid’s movie about silly cyborgs.
It also wouldn’t be bad to portray a massacre if it were a dark movie for adults.
It’s bad because both of these are in the same movie. Who is this for? Is it a children’s movie with a school massacre, or is it an adult’s movie with silly robots? You gotta pick a lane!
Also “I have the high ground” is one of the dumbest things in any movie. Good thing it was just a nothing scene that didn’t matter, right? Oh it was the most important scene in the entire trilogy? Well that’s unfortunate. At least we got a lot of memes from it, and that’s what the prequels were really all about weren’t they?
You have silly robots bantering with each other while you have scenes in the first Star Wars movie where 2 eldery people are completely charred to the death or an entire planet obliterated but in both cases, as in the prequels, the real violence is not shown. The whole debate about the target audience is ridiculous, Batman The Dark Knight is PG13, there’s a lot of problems in the prequels to die on that hill.
Also “I have the high ground” is one of the dumbest things in any movie.
That’s a more valid point.
Edit: I completely forgot about Ewoks winning against the empire while you have a slavery scene with Jabba in episode 6.
Destroying a planet is a comic book kind of evil. Massacring some school children is real life evil.
Luke’s aunt and uncle were killed by Stormtroopers… guys you’re not supposed to sympathize with. Are we not supposed to be sympathetic towards Anakin? Is he supposed to be a generic bad guy with very little depth like a Stormtrooper or Jabba?
At that point he is a villain, the scene exists to be impactful, there’s no turning back for our Hero at that point, he’s fallen.
And again my problem is how fast the guy go from I have doubts about the Jedis to Villain, that’s shit. Thanks to the Clone Wars that’s fixed
Well the Jedi were kinda evil. They indoctrinate children to fight in their holy wars. Basically the same thing the First Order was up to and they were the bad guys.
And the reason for this is because Anakin in Episode I was the biggest Mary Sue in all of fiction. Lucas felt like a child leaving his mother was more impactful than a young man leaving his mother so therefore Jedi now take children and train them. Also they couldn’t go back and check on Anakin’s mother later, because there needed to be a scene where she dies to start Anakin’s turn to the dark side. So apparently the Jedi don’t allow the children they’re indoctrinating to ever see their families?
The Mary Sue nature of Anakin resulted in the PT having terrible world building. Things are the way they are only because everything was warped to suit a single character.
He became a villain at a drop of a hat because it was lazy writing. It’s just a movie so whatever, but what bothers me is the fact that he jammed Columbine (a real life human tragedy) into a movie obviously meant to sell toys to children. It’s really fucked up.
I find your lack of faith disturbing.
Not really.
You know what would really suck though?
If they made any Matrix or Highlander sequels.
yeah, glad that these sequel fuckers didn’t think about mad max or the terminator either. there can be only one.
You’ve gone two steps too far, my friend.
It’s my pile of sand, and I’m keeping my head deep down within it. Now “temple of doom”, that was going too far. And dont get me started on the godfather
FEEL THE SHTAG
I had a professor who didn’t even accept the whole trilogy, and (probably at least in part ironically) attributed some amount of societal problems to the third movie.
It’s actually the second movie that fucks it all up. The whole point of Luke is that he wasn’t born special, he could have been anyone. ESB throws that out the window and makes him a boring chosen one. Star Wars goes from being a story about the power of the workers to a story about force royalty
Star Wars goes from being a story about the power of the workers to a story about force royalty
The power of the workers? One of the leads from the first movie is a literal princess…
And while she’s very cool, she couldn’t have done it without the help of a farm boy and two career criminals. The heroes of the rebellion could have been anyone, as long as they made an effort and used the force. And back in those days, you didn’t need midichlorians to use the force, anyone could do it if they received the right advice from a mysterious old hermit.
I disagree on this point. Say what you will about midichlorians, but even before they were introduced, not everyone could use the force.
Granted that wasn’t explicitly stated in A New Hope… that random farm boy was already special because he was the son of a great Jedi Knight.
The force only works if you believe in it, and you’re alive. And there’s heavily implied to be some mental barriers you have to overcome to get it to work properly.
Of our heroes in the first movie, we have:
- old hermit who definitely uses the force
- naive farm boy who learns to use the force
- jaded smuggler who doesn’t believe in the force
- GRAAAAAAAGGGHHHHHH
- robot
- robot
- princess who never discusses the force on camera but they don’t rule her using the force out
And in terms of antagonists:
- evil wizard who is looked down upon by society for using the force
- a bunch of beaurocrats who don’t believe in the force
- weak minded fascist soldiers who don’t believe in the force
- a bartender who never mentions the force
- an asshole criminal who never mentions the force
- jawas
In this movie, of the characters who display awareness of the fact that the force exists, we see a clear divide between characters who believe in the force and can use it, and characters who don’t believe in the force and don’t try to use it. I suspect there’s a causal relationship somewhere in there.
Hmm, maybe that was it.
wasn’t he already the chosen one by the force in the first movie?
Nope, it’s never mentioned in Star Wars (1977)
By third, I am assuming you mean Return of the Jedi?
I am assuming so as well. I don’t remember exactly which movie he said, but it wouldn’t make sense for it to be the second of three.
Well I was not sure if you meant the third movie released, being Episode 6, or the 6th movie released, being Episode 3.
I like how Star Wars is confusing in this way. It’s fun.
I liked the prequels more than the original trilogy.
Sequels were garbage.
I didn’t but I’m glad you did.
What year were you born?
the choreography and music were amazing (with some complaints, I wish Yoda fought more like Gandalf than spiderman)
The saber choreography was lifeless and boring. It was all senseless flare.
Hell I’ll say the sequel trilogy has better lightsaber choreography.
You might have different priorities in what you want to see in lightsaber fights. For me, the flair is the good stuff! All of the energy, backflips and shit, while still respecting the different saber forms? That’s cool.
Calm down, Jar Jar.
That’s Darth Jar Jar to you.
Darth JarJar
The ratio on this post makes me think there is hope for lemmy afterall.
For real
This is the way
This is the way.
The originals are overrated too.
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She does try.
It’s a multibillion dollar franchise. How exactly is it overrated? Just because you don’t like it doesn’t mean it’s over rated.
You’re confusing over/under rated with popularity.
No I’m not. You are confusing your own tastes with what is generally considered “good”.
The original trilogy is solid. Those films are 40+ years old. Obviously they don’t compare to anything you’ll see now.
They didn’t say you weren’t allowed to like them.
Im still waiting on someone to tell me how the original trilogy is over rated. Sounds like the movie didn’t have enough flashing lights and loud noises your y’all.
The originals have an avg rating of 8.5 and an avg rotten tomatoes score of 90. Not only are they incredibly popular but they continued to be well scored by people that have never seen them.
Again please explain how they are over rated.
I don’t think they are over rated, I’m just saying this defensive mentality is strange. Let them think it’s overrated. It shouldn’t detract from your joy.
Again please explain how they are over rated.
If I say “x is overrated” it’s a statement of my opinion relative to the average rating of x. That’s literally what the sentence means. Stating the average rating of x doesn’t disprove anything. You’re not even engaging with the idea lol. And there’s little reason to since it’s literally just someone’s opinion relative to the mainstream.
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The Star Wars Trilogy Trilogy!
Star Wars (no, it wasn’t “EPISODE IV A NEW HOPE”), Empire Strikes Back, and Return of the Jedi were the only good SW movies. The rest are embarrassingly bad fanfiction. Just because people laugh at the prequel memes doesn’t make the prequels good. We as a society fell when we started laughing at all the horrible parts of the prequels and then asked ourselves “wait, if we’re being entertained by the prequels, does that mean they were good?” and coming to the absolute wrong conclusion.
I think technology is the issue. When they made Star Wars, Empire, and Return the special effects tech was garbage (clunky, expensive, and time consuming) so they had to rely on good story telling and practical effects, as the special effects tech has gotten better the story telling seems to rely on the tech as opposed to overcoming the tech (this is all movies/shows not just this franchise). Iirc the death star was a bunch of models of battle ships and other things pasted together, not sure if they did fly-by-wire (Red Dwarf was really good at this practical effect) for the space battles. As an aside, we also tend to like the ones we grew up watching, I’m in the original trilogy is the best (pushin 50), but to those that were my age for the prequels think the prequels are the better series, not sure about the sequels.
Are you kidding? Star Wars had amazing special effects for its day. Yeah, they look clunky now. But you know what? The special effects in Wizard of Oz looked clunky in the 1970s.
As for good story telling…what? This is Star Wars we’re talking about, not Fine Art. It’s pretty much a reshooting of The Hidden Fortress … in space!
It’s a fun movie, but damn do people lionize it far beyond what it ever actually was.
When they made Star Wars, Empire, and Return the special effects tech was garbage (clunky, expensive, and time consuming) so they had to rely on good story telling and practical effects
I’m curious, have you watched the original trilogy with the original practical effects, and not the crappy CGI that George added later?
Ok, I am being misunderstood. The “practical effects” were amazing by the standards of the day, and are now basically a thing of the past. The ingenuity was second to none, but the light sabers, blaster bolts etc “special effects” were not the best. And yes I did see that atrocity and hate that I can’t find copies without the added crap. If George had waited another 5 or 10 years it could have been better. My main point, and it goes beyond star wars, is much of cinema and TV rely on CGI special effects and the writers hope that will get them over the line.
Clunky = takes a lot of space, expensive = self explanatory, time consuming = getting models to behave properly
Ah, thanks for clarifying. That’s an interesting position. I never found the light sabers or blaster bolts in the original trilogy to look that bad. And the practical effects, models, and sets, certainly look superior to the CGI sets in the prequels.
If George had waited another 5 or 10 years it could have been better.
I’m not so sure about this. I think that the limitations George had at the time ended up being part of what made the original trilogy so good. If George had access to better special effects, would we still have gotten scenes like these?
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Or would we have gotten this instead?
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George being able to do “whatever he wants” does not necessarily lead to the best movie.
and hate that I can’t find copies without the added crap
Search up “Harmy despecialized” and “4k77”. There are many other Star Wars fans who feel the way you do, and they have taken matters into their own hands :)
