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I know you’re kind of busy with other things, but this all still bothers me quite a lot. Of course the people decide, they always do, but it is the job of the vanguard party to try to lead them to the best decision. Saying “Oops, vote as you will” is tailism, it is failing to lead, and what they are actually saying, “Vote to stop Trump getting elected” is overtly reactionary because anyone with two brain cells understands this to be a direction to vote for Biden. This unconditional support of the Democratic Party is in service of the maintenance of neoliberalism, no matter how nice you think the guy’s speeches are
Edit: Just to avoid spamming you:
Trump will do the genocide as well and probably double-down
You and every liberal says this, but how do you justify it? How can you say Trump will do more when Biden already sends tens of billions of “lethal aid” to Israel? You’re just assuming that if Biden sends X, Trump will send 2X, but I have never seen any substantiation for this claim even though liberals constantly make it.
I am not a liberal though. This was done with analysis and Trump is a staunch Zionist and has even voiced support for Netanyahu, unrelenting support, even as Biden at least puts in a word about genocide.
So I can understand the Communist Party’s position to not repeat the same mistake they made in the 1980s with allowing Reagan to win.
It was wrong of us to run in Presidential elections and not try to help block Reagan.
even as Biden at least puts in a word about genocide.
This is a joke, it’s pure kayfabe to mitigate the PR issue of supporting something so unpopular. He’s not actually doing anything substantial and has, time and again, also voiced “unrelenting support”, as someone who was a staunch Zionist before most users on this board were born. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=86Nrv5izaTs
So I can understand the Communist Party’s position to not repeat the same mistake they made in the 1980s with allowing Reagan to win.
It was wrong of us to run in Presidential elections and not try to help block Reagan.
You are revisionists, pure and simple. You are pursuing socdem goals at the expense of building a revolutionary movement, giving unconditional concessions to neoliberal ghouls instead of even attempting to extract concessions.
Our politics must be working-class politics. The workers’ party must never be the tagtail of any bourgeois party; it must be independent and have its goal and its own policy.
Karl Marx, “Apropos Of Working-Class Political Action”
No matter whatever disingenuous weaseling you try to do about not “supporting” Biden, your organization is one of massively tailist revisionism in the interest of maintaining neoliberal institutions.
Even where there is no prospect of achieving their election the workers must put up their own candidates to preserve their independence, to gauge their own strength and to bring their revolutionary position and party standpoint to public attention. They must not be led astray by the empty phrases of the democrats, who will maintain that the workers’ candidates will split the democratic party and offer the forces of reaction the chance of victory. All such talk means, in the final analysis, that the proletariat is to be swindled. The progress which the proletarian party will make by operating independently in this way is infinitely more important than the disadvantages resulting from the presence of a few reactionaries in the representative body. If the forces of democracy take decisive, terroristic action against the reaction from the very beginning, the reactionary influence in the election will already have been destroyed.
Karl Marx and Frederick Engels, Address of the Central Comittee to the Communist League, 1850
The Democrats are facilitators of the regular “most important election of our lifetime” crises, not a mitigating element. If they were a mitigating element they would not, at every moment, being laying further groundwork for rightward lurching and the destruction of civil liberties.
I think it’s up to the people to decide. I’ll vote for Claudia de la Cruz, as I’ve said elsewhere.
I think if your primary intent is to prevent Trump, voting third party does not make rational sense.
This is just my personal decision; I know others will vote for Biden.
I know you’re kind of busy with other things, but this all still bothers me quite a lot. Of course the people decide, they always do, but it is the job of the vanguard party to try to lead them to the best decision. Saying “Oops, vote as you will” is tailism, it is failing to lead, and what they are actually saying, “Vote to stop Trump getting elected” is overtly reactionary because anyone with two brain cells understands this to be a direction to vote for Biden. This unconditional support of the Democratic Party is in service of the maintenance of neoliberalism, no matter how nice you think the guy’s speeches are
Edit: Just to avoid spamming you:
You and every liberal says this, but how do you justify it? How can you say Trump will do more when Biden already sends tens of billions of “lethal aid” to Israel? You’re just assuming that if Biden sends X, Trump will send 2X, but I have never seen any substantiation for this claim even though liberals constantly make it.
I am not a liberal though. This was done with analysis and Trump is a staunch Zionist and has even voiced support for Netanyahu, unrelenting support, even as Biden at least puts in a word about genocide.
So I can understand the Communist Party’s position to not repeat the same mistake they made in the 1980s with allowing Reagan to win.
It was wrong of us to run in Presidential elections and not try to help block Reagan.
This is a joke, it’s pure kayfabe to mitigate the PR issue of supporting something so unpopular. He’s not actually doing anything substantial and has, time and again, also voiced “unrelenting support”, as someone who was a staunch Zionist before most users on this board were born. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=86Nrv5izaTs
You are revisionists, pure and simple. You are pursuing socdem goals at the expense of building a revolutionary movement, giving unconditional concessions to neoliberal ghouls instead of even attempting to extract concessions.
No matter whatever disingenuous weaseling you try to do about not “supporting” Biden, your organization is one of massively tailist revisionism in the interest of maintaining neoliberal institutions.
The Democrats are facilitators of the regular “most important election of our lifetime” crises, not a mitigating element. If they were a mitigating element they would not, at every moment, being laying further groundwork for rightward lurching and the destruction of civil liberties.
I found a YouTube link in your comment. Here are links to the same video on alternative frontends that protect your privacy: