Chat Control: The EU's CSEM scanner proposal
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🇫🇷 French: Traduction du dossier Chat Control 2.0 🇸🇪 Swedish: Chat Control 2.0🇳🇱 Dutch: Chatcontrole The End of the Privacy of Digital CorrespondenceChat control 2.0 on every SmartphoneThe current proposal Changes proposed by the European Parliament Positions of EU governments

We need to do something against this. The EU plans to apply a law for a chat control in the territory. The approval say that all the chats and the emails would be send to the government to do AI scanning to in fact “find the children abuses”, even when using apps with end-to-end encryption (the EU will ask the services to open their secrets keys… we know that Microsoft, Google and Facebook have already agreed to this. On the other hand Signal for example had said that they would leave the EU if this law will be applied). We need to counter this, because this restrict the privacy and the security of the citizens. Even if you’re not living in the EU, you should take a look because that could encourage others to do the same! Please take a look of the situation and make you your own idea of the case. Find out here the votes results for now, by countries and more… mepwatch.eu

Some others organizations criticized the approval, a open letter/petition was posted here : globalencryption.org

PS : I know that this was posted on the community a bit before (https://lemmy.world/post/16093632) but I think this is really important and the people should know it. That’s a really regrettable decision for the population. thx

  • nomad@infosec.pubEnglish
    1041·
    14 days ago

    As nobody has mentioned this yet. Vote! On Sunday all Germans vote on their representation in the EU. Vote for the pirate party or another progressive party. Vote out the grandpa’s and grandma’s that want to “protect” their adult children.

    • astropenguin5@lemmy.worldEnglish
      2·
      13 days ago

      Wait, you guys have a pirate party over there? That’s actually really cool

      I wish our parties over here in the states were more interesting like that (also that we have more of them and need a completely different system but that’s besides the point)

  • Lowlee Kun@feddit.deEnglish
    84·
    13 days ago

    As most child abuse happens in the homes by the parents or relatives, when can we expect 24/7 surveilance in our homes?

    Oh wait its not about protecting children, is it?

    • foremanguyOPEnglish
      14·
      13 days ago

      They say that it’s about to protect children but that ask a big question for our privacy

  • uriel238@lemmy.blahaj.zoneEnglish
    29·
    13 days ago

    So here in the states, teens who are romantically active sometimes sext each other (sometimes even as an alternative to actual sex). But law enforcement is very fond of regarding it as CSAM, even to the point of convicting teenagers of distribution. Of all fifty states, only Maine has carved out a defense for teen couples utilizing their phone cameras in a way that is ragingly common among adults.

    All fifty states have Romeo and Juliet laws so they recognize that teens sometimes have sex. But as it is, they’re not allowed to sext. (also R+J laws often don’t apply to same-sex couples).

    So I’m all curious how the EU plans to tackle this revelation

      • uriel238@lemmy.blahaj.zoneEnglish
        61·
        13 days ago

        So as per the rest of western cultures, they freak out and abuse teens when they engage in normal sexual activity? Do they imprison them the way they do here?

  • K4mpfie@feddit.deEnglish
    26·
    13 days ago

    I’m worried too but I doubt countries who voted against it will just lie down and turn over. I’m sure local courts will fight this on the grounds of national privacy laws. And just because the EU wishes this to be a thing doesn’t mean it’s happening too. The technological groundwork needs to be developed for this and I can imagine that some service will drag their feet at implementing that. At least that’s my unicorn utopia with rainbows I currently live in to bear this reality 🫠

    • mryessir@lemmy.sdf.orgEnglish
      2·
      13 days ago

      The EU will already have projects in development as far as my experience goes.

      What I do not know though but think applies: Such an act is legally binding for all member states. If they fight these things, they are allowed to propose at the EU court for adjustment in order to be aligned with the national law. This can postpone the national implementation for a few years.

      But it can only be revoked by a new act of the EU council.

      And they can simply ignore any new suggestion of the EU parliament if they like to.

    • foremanguyOPEnglish
      33·
      13 days ago

      You know even without the law should consider deleting whatsapp and switched to signal or other private stuff

      • EngineerGaming@feddit.nlEnglish
        8·
        13 days ago

        I would prefer Matrix or XMPP, they don’t have the risks regarding centralization and are thus far harder to censor.

        • foremanguyOPEnglish
          8·
          13 days ago

          For sure these are better for a more private and can avoid censorship far more easily, you can use Session as well, but the of Signal is really good because of their solid proved encryption. Snowden and others recommend it. Maybe not the absolute best but far away from the worst

          • RaoulDook@lemmy.worldEnglish
            3·
            13 days ago

            Signal is also great because it is easy to use, and works on all mobile platforms. It’s probably the easiest secure chat app to get people onboard with using.

          • EngineerGaming@feddit.nlEnglish
            2·
            13 days ago

            Major XMPP clients now have implemented OMEMO - from what I understand, it’s very similar.

            My issue with Signal, aside from centralization and phone numbers, is how it is annoying to use without a smartphone.

            • dizzyEnglish
              11·
              11 days ago

              Doesn’t need phone numbers anymore

              • EngineerGaming@feddit.nlEnglish
                1·
                11 days ago

                First - it does still require one for registration, just no longer requires it to be public. Second - this still has nothing to do with the fact that desktop doesn’t allow registration and tells you to register from a smartphone instead.

      • cows_are_underrated@discuss.tchncs.deEnglish
        2·
        13 days ago

        Yes, I try to avoid it, but its kinda ass, if you loose contact to literally everyone you know.

        I already use Signal and matrix for certain groups and contacts.

        • foremanguyOPEnglish
          2·
          13 days ago

          I can understand I’ve gone trough that as well, but you know it’s so much safer to use a more private messaging app, as example we suspect the Israeliens to use AI and WhatsApp to organize murders to suspected pro Palestinians people, based on their groups on whatsapp…

  • tal@lemmy.todayEnglish
    23·
    14 days ago

    Spain has consistently been a major proponent of mandating this stuff, from what I’ve read in the past. I assume that this relates to wanting to deal with their secessionist movements.

    • foremanguyOPEnglish
      10·
      14 days ago

      That could be the reason. In this case the Germany the Poland and the Austria are refusing the approval

  • helenslunch@feddit.nlEnglish
    21·
    8 days ago

    This is beyond stupid. Criminals will continue using encryption. Citizens are mandated to forfeit any semblance of privacy. This is tyranny in it’s plainest form.

    • foremanguyOPEnglish
      251·
      14 days ago

      First telegram is not private.

      And then Signal would not keep his EU market if this law applied, for session and all more independents services they could maybe go trough this law… but even with this it’s a big no-no

    • BlueKey@kbin.run
      2·
      14 days ago

      Session is cool but sometimes unreliable in the delivery.

      SimpleX is also quite interesting. But I don’t use it enough to say something about the reliablity.