It’s a security blanket that large blocks of society have yet to grow out of, unfortunately. Like trying to phase a toddler out of their binky, suggesting laying it aside is likely to result in tantrums.
God your spam is gumming up the thread. I’m not going to read all of that crap. Maybe if you only posted it once. But no, you had to make sure we all saw it 4 times.
That was an accident, I tried to clean it up. I was on mobile, and got network errors when I tried to post- and assumed that meant that it hadn’t posted, so I waited a couple of minutes and tried again until that didn’t happen. But, apparently the other attempts I made DID post, despite getting back 500 responses.
I think your instance might not have gotten the deletes yet, but I deleted all but one.
Edit: My app decided to post this multiple times, I’m cleaning them up, sorry for that yall. Didn’t mean to spam 4 identical posts…
Because if it isn’t then millions of people in this country will openly be discriminated against because of their religion.
I’m Jewish. Do I really need to explain why I think having protections for my religious beliefs is a good idea? There are more LGBT people than Jews in America. We are a small minority who has historically been heavily discriminated against, and that discrimination is ongoing right now. Antisemitism has gotten significantly more out in the open over the last decade. I can confidently state that had I not been protected by laws, I likely wouldn’t have gotten into college, gotten my first job, or had many of the opportunities that I’ve had in life. I know friends who have been told to their faces that an employer didn’t want to hire them because they were jews.
I don’t really care if religion is “unscientific,” for people who are religious is a critical part of who they are and, more importantly, a lot of other people (religious and not) assign it just as much importance and will happily discriminate against, ostracize, and even kill people for being the “wrong” religion if allowed to do so. I can’t just “give up” by Jewishness because it’s a deeply ingrained part of who I am, and asking me to “just stop” is frankly as offensive as telling a gay person to “just stop” believing they are gay. And, more importantly, even if I completely rescinded all of my belief in my religious beliefs AND stopped doing all Jewish activities, got rid of all my Jewish paraphernalia, converted to Christianity and lived openly as a Christian, there are still people who would consider me Jewish and discriminate against me simply for having Jewish parents.
YOU might not like religion, and I completely understand why so many people feel that way, but removing religions from being protected classes Isa really great way to guarantee millions of people get discriminated against every single day.
So you’re arguing in favour of discriminating against the non-religious then. That’s the logical conclusion of what you said and precisely what’s happening with this court case.
I’m literally not, did you read what I wrote? I think this ruling is also bad, because I can easily see it leading to discrimination for all kinds of things, religious minorities included. This ruling doesn’t actually increase “religious freedom” or “religious protections,” it specifically allows for religious people to discriminate in business, which actually makes all religious people LESS protected, because it opens the door for Christians to discriminate against other religions and vice-versa.
The OP was questioning why religion is a protected class AT ALL, and I’m arguing that it should be. Just like sex, race, and gender should be protected classes. It shouldn’t be legal to discriminate against people based on those traits.
I dont think that the constitution actually protects religious people from having to serve people in commerce who their religious beliefs disagree with. But what the OP said goes beyond that, they questioned why religious people get any protections at all.
I understand completely, I’ve dealt with a lot of asshole Christians myself. No need to apologize.
What frustrates me in he last few years is that I see a LOT of people online openly calling for the removal of religion as a protected class, or questioning why it is one to begin with.
And in a context like this, I understand why people do it. It’s a visceral reaction to seeing LGBT people’s protections stripped away in favor of “religious protections” which actually protect nobody in rulings like this one. Gay people should be protected equally like religious people are, and it isn’t a “protection” to allow discrimination based on one’s subjective religious belief.
But if we strip ALL religious protections, then it opens the door for significantly worse harm to be done to religious minorities. What we need is to undo this one ruling, not stop protecting religious people from discrimination or protecting their right to practice their religion freely. And I don’t see discriminating against other people as part of free practice of religion, because one person’s rights end where another person’s begin, and other people have the right not to be discriminated against.
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Religious privilege is getting an invite to the meeting where this stuff was decided
Because they don’t think of sexuality as immutable, even though it is. They think its’s a choice.
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It’s a security blanket that large blocks of society have yet to grow out of, unfortunately. Like trying to phase a toddler out of their binky, suggesting laying it aside is likely to result in tantrums.
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I’m also Jewish. Do I get to outright deny building websites for devout Muslims?
God your spam is gumming up the thread. I’m not going to read all of that crap. Maybe if you only posted it once. But no, you had to make sure we all saw it 4 times.
That was an accident, I tried to clean it up. I was on mobile, and got network errors when I tried to post- and assumed that meant that it hadn’t posted, so I waited a couple of minutes and tried again until that didn’t happen. But, apparently the other attempts I made DID post, despite getting back 500 responses.
I think your instance might not have gotten the deletes yet, but I deleted all but one.
This is a common error with some mobile apps, chill out man. It’s not always some manipulation tactic…
Edit: See what I mean? Network error a d extra posts…
This is a common error with some mobile apps, chill out man. It’s not always some manipulation tactic…
This is a common error with some mobile apps, chill out man. It’s not always some manipulation tactic…
Edit: My app decided to post this multiple times, I’m cleaning them up, sorry for that yall. Didn’t mean to spam 4 identical posts…
Because if it isn’t then millions of people in this country will openly be discriminated against because of their religion.
I’m Jewish. Do I really need to explain why I think having protections for my religious beliefs is a good idea? There are more LGBT people than Jews in America. We are a small minority who has historically been heavily discriminated against, and that discrimination is ongoing right now. Antisemitism has gotten significantly more out in the open over the last decade. I can confidently state that had I not been protected by laws, I likely wouldn’t have gotten into college, gotten my first job, or had many of the opportunities that I’ve had in life. I know friends who have been told to their faces that an employer didn’t want to hire them because they were jews.
I don’t really care if religion is “unscientific,” for people who are religious is a critical part of who they are and, more importantly, a lot of other people (religious and not) assign it just as much importance and will happily discriminate against, ostracize, and even kill people for being the “wrong” religion if allowed to do so. I can’t just “give up” by Jewishness because it’s a deeply ingrained part of who I am, and asking me to “just stop” is frankly as offensive as telling a gay person to “just stop” believing they are gay. And, more importantly, even if I completely rescinded all of my belief in my religious beliefs AND stopped doing all Jewish activities, got rid of all my Jewish paraphernalia, converted to Christianity and lived openly as a Christian, there are still people who would consider me Jewish and discriminate against me simply for having Jewish parents.
YOU might not like religion, and I completely understand why so many people feel that way, but removing religions from being protected classes Isa really great way to guarantee millions of people get discriminated against every single day.
I think the point of this discussion is to showcase the hypocrisy by example.
So, you’ve hit the nail on the head.
So you’re arguing in favour of discriminating against the non-religious then. That’s the logical conclusion of what you said and precisely what’s happening with this court case.
I’m literally not, did you read what I wrote? I think this ruling is also bad, because I can easily see it leading to discrimination for all kinds of things, religious minorities included. This ruling doesn’t actually increase “religious freedom” or “religious protections,” it specifically allows for religious people to discriminate in business, which actually makes all religious people LESS protected, because it opens the door for Christians to discriminate against other religions and vice-versa.
The OP was questioning why religion is a protected class AT ALL, and I’m arguing that it should be. Just like sex, race, and gender should be protected classes. It shouldn’t be legal to discriminate against people based on those traits.
I dont think that the constitution actually protects religious people from having to serve people in commerce who their religious beliefs disagree with. But what the OP said goes beyond that, they questioned why religious people get any protections at all.
No, such daily stuff doesn’t harm you, and even has the virtue of people you’d not want to depend on being more likely to show their true colors.
EDIT: I too have some Jewish relation and have thought of this.
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I understand completely, I’ve dealt with a lot of asshole Christians myself. No need to apologize.
What frustrates me in he last few years is that I see a LOT of people online openly calling for the removal of religion as a protected class, or questioning why it is one to begin with.
And in a context like this, I understand why people do it. It’s a visceral reaction to seeing LGBT people’s protections stripped away in favor of “religious protections” which actually protect nobody in rulings like this one. Gay people should be protected equally like religious people are, and it isn’t a “protection” to allow discrimination based on one’s subjective religious belief.
But if we strip ALL religious protections, then it opens the door for significantly worse harm to be done to religious minorities. What we need is to undo this one ruling, not stop protecting religious people from discrimination or protecting their right to practice their religion freely. And I don’t see discriminating against other people as part of free practice of religion, because one person’s rights end where another person’s begin, and other people have the right not to be discriminated against.
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