There is only one species of dog, canis familiaris. I still wouldn’t call a chihuahua and a great dane the same thing. Species or subspecies, indica is still a different thing.
Huh, last I looked somewhere I’m pretty sure indica was considered a subspecies, not a distinct species. Thanks for the update or correction, either or.
Oh wait no I should’ve known, it’s something we’re still pretty much arguing over. That is whether sativa and indica (and ruderalis) are both suspecies, or whether they’re all their own species in the same family.
And dog breeds are still (at least in the vast majority) not even different subspecies, just different breed (variants of the same species)
Indica is technically “cannabis sativa indica” and then a strain would technically be written fully as “C. sativa var indica, ‘Indian Kush’” or “C. sativa indica, var ‘Northern Lights’” or something to that effect. But also sativa would be like “C. sativa sativa, var. ‘Durban Poison’”
This is all up for debate, I’m not saying there’s consensus on what is or isn’t correct. Just inputting a lil content to Lemmy
I mean, I don’t partake but isn’t it the same as saying cabbage, kale, broccoli, cauliflower and a dozen other things are the same?
It would be the same as saying there is only one species of broccoli, Brassica oleracea.
And redwoods
REDWOODS ARE BRASSICA???I feel very dumb, but I’m glad I checked before posting
Me in this thread.
“What’s with all the files named after cannabis strains on the gcms and lcms computers?”
“I was making a point.”Right there with you. I got a good giggle out of this.
Idk wtf that cat is but I’m on team cat.
Fuck lemmings, worst thing to happen to Lemmy!
And there’s only one species of wild cabbage, Brassica oleracea. Get out of here with that “broccoli”, “kale”, “cabbage” or “brussel sprouts” nonsense!
“broccoli”, “kale”, “cabbage” or “brussel sprouts”
Well of course, they are domestic cabbages.
me when weed smokers are talking about magic mushroom “strains”.
These are pretty different though, as cannabis has literally dozens of different cannabinoids and terpenes, but “magic mushrooms” refers to psilocybin shrooms, which all have psilocybin and psilocin in varying amounts.
Cannabis relies on the entourage effect.
Found the guy without experience of drug culture
Name a drug and I’ve done it.
Name two magic mushrooms without psilocybin.
I can. Can you, even with googling?
“Magic mushrooms” is exactly what refers to psilocybin, even more accurately than “ecstasy” refers to MDMA (a lot of pills have caffeine/mda/speed/rc’s).
If you told someone you did shrooms, who the hell would even ask “oh you do mean like psilocybin mushrooms or amanitas or what?”
Brodda wut? I’m a mycologist.
Interesting that a mycologist has 0 posts or comments regarding mushrooms/fungi prior to this post. Not that you have to, but rather that both of my mycologist friends are extremely enthusiastic about talking about it.
Avoiding the question while pretending to be an expert, cool, cool.
Hey when people ask you “do you drink alcohol” do you answer them with “brodda wut? lol, no, only ethanol, why would you think ‘alcohol’ means ‘ethanol’ ‘alcohol’ actually means all alcohols and most of them aren’t suitable for human consumption”?
I’m sure you don’t.
Now, seeing how you’re an expert mycologist, please, do name two “magic mushrooms” which don’t contain any psilocin or psilocybin or any of the precursors. (Meaning shrooms in which the “magic” isn’t from psilocybin.)
Psilocybe cubensis (cubes) are prob what you’re thinking of because they grow like weeds. But there’s hundreds if not thousands of Psilocybe alone. We estimate the species of fungi number in tens of millions.
Here’s a quick guide if you’re interested in home cultivation.
Weird how a “mycologist” can’t even discern between a family and a species.
Psilocybe cubensis and it’s variants are the one’s you farm at home, but they’re far from being the only psilocybe species that are ingested. One of the foremost being psilocybe semilanceatea (liberty caps) which is far more potent than any cubensis. There are dozens of species of psilocybe mushrooms, but like the name might suggest, they all contain psilocybin.
I specifically said name me two mushrooms which do not contain psilocybin and which rely on other psyhoactives, for my point is that rather like alcohol, with mushrooms, only really the dosage varies with variants, whereas with cannabis variants, the actual composition of the psyhoactive chemicals varies… greatly. (And for the pedants, mushrooms will have varying relative amounts of psilocin and psilocybin and relatives, but since psilocybin metabolises into psilocin, it’s nowhere near the same as with dozens of different cannabinoids + terpenes.)
I’ve cultivated shrooms several times. Have you? A rather noob’s guide you’ve linked if I might say. Almost as if it’s the first result someone Googling it might link.
“Mycologist” lmao, you’re a bad liar bruv.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Brassica_oleracea
your point?
Damnit, it’s always brassica
is this a ligma joke that i’m too high to understand
this is actually one thing that has pissed me off for 30+ years. to be fair, there is 2-3 types, one for smoking, one for hemp products (non smoking/not getting high) and the wild kind.
Kinda sorta a bit different but you got the gist down close enough. 🙏
Cannabaceae is the plants family which is good shit btw 🤩🧐
There are two ways of thinking I’m aware of. It’s all cannabis sativa. Or. It’s cannabis sativa, Cannabis indica and cannabis ruderalis as the three sub species.
Ruderalis is literally ditch weed in that it grows randomlyin the ditch’s around midwestern America, near where “hemp” was produced previously, and produces nothing smokeable or enjoyable I’m aware of.
Hemp is just a governmental term applied to the cannabis plant to denote it has less than .3% THC making it non psychoactive. This is currently heavily abused in the USA as THCa, the naturally occurring acid that grows on cannabis, melts or converts into THC with heat. And the law seemingly defines it into as THC being over .3% not THCa. Weird loophole.
you forgot the one for spicing ales.
Can anyone explain ?
Cannabis sativa is the same plant for every single strain of cannabis in existence, as well as hemp. The meme is pointing out how we talk about sativa, indica, and hybrids as completely different plants, rather than variations of the same species
But each strain is different, right? Like how a chihuahua and a German shepherd are both dogs, but vastly different.
Yes, the different strains absolutely have some differences, and I’m not trying to say it’s all bullshit. Weed is awesome, and we should document new stuff as it comes along, but we need to remember that it’s all a single plant. I’d say weed is like the apple of drugs
Yes. Some strains smell like a baby just shit kn a diaper and some smell like a fresh cut mango mixed with some pine needles lol. Flavor also vastly different! It’s a wonderful plant to explore
Cannabis sativa is the same plant for every single strain of cannabis in existence
This is incorrect. Cannabis is the family designation where Sativa, Indica and Ruderalis are the species designations.
This is debated. But this string is an explanation of recent debate. Whether it’s all sativa or there are the three sub species. I prefer the sub species route myself.
What do you mean by “same plant”? They are different species.
They are the same species by the scientific definition. The meaning of the word “species” has become diluted over time as it was adopted by more people and misused, just like all language.
They are the same species by the scientific definition
Seems there there is very much a debate about it and they are either considered seperate species, subspecies or a single one.
There’s really no debate about it.
My point exactly. Which makes this post (and some of the comment) asserting that it’s certainly a single species quite confusing. Seems it’s quite far from certain.
No, they’re not. Industrial hemp is also Cannabis sativa.
Wikipedia: (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cannabis)
Species[1]
Cannabis sativa L. Cannabis indica Lam. Cannabis ruderalis JanischTaxonomy is difficult, and we’re still figuring it all out.
I would, however, point out that the specific page on Cannabis sativa lists them as subspecies. So, it appears there isn’t even consensus on Wikipedia.
In mycology one will hear references to ‘lumpers’ and ‘splitters’ taxonomically. That is, do we lump these specimens together, or do we split them into difference groupings. When we look at the genetics, it has been the case that we find that those critters that appear similar may not be those that are related by genes/ evolution. And of course by “we” I mean the larger scientific community, not me and the mouse in my pocket. Oh wait, that’s not a mouse it’s a shrew. ;-)
My point exactly. That’s why I find it a bit strange that the post and some comments here act like it’s a certainty.
Standard middle school definition of species is applicable here. If they can breed and their offspring is fertile, they’re the same species.
QED, Spock is sterile.
Standard middle school definition of species is applicable here
And here I was thinking about looking into some of the papers for the actual reasons … but turns out those stupid scientists just wasted their time because they forgot about middle school. Fools!
I kind of thought the Spock thing would convey I wasn’t 100% serious in my reply to a weed shitpost.
I think the confusion is that there are two well-known subgroups of cannabis sativa, indica and sativa (ruderalis is more obscure). So the species and subgroup have the same name, to the consternation of indica lovers.
It may also be referential to the greater indica/sativa internet drama, there are fierce disputes about the differences or lack thereof. The confusion is amplified due to the lack of quality control in cannabis genetics and sales, and most strains are hybrids between the two (or three)
As I read it, it’s basically saying there’s only one kind of red wine: red. You’re right, but you’re ignoring all of the subcategories that the typical consumers use to talk about it.
Weed smokers typically consider strains to be either Indica or Sativa, but there’s a whole debate about if those are real differences at all. The plant itself is called Cannabis Sativa, hence why this statement is true.
The plant itself is called Cannabis Sativa…
The plant’s family is Cannabis. The plant’s species is either Indica, Ruderalis or Sativa.
The post is wrong.
Cannabis is the family, while Indica, Sativa and Ruderalis are the species.
The part directly above the species is the genus. Family comes after that, and is Cannabaceae in this case.
Yeah but the original cannabis indica described has none of the physical characteristics of what it does today, there is not a genetic difference between sativa and indica that is sold in the cannabis market today.
The hops used for brewing beer belong to the same family as marijuana and have a similar alkaloid, the hop harvesters at the end of the day can confirm this.
Hackberry trees (Celtis occidentalis) are also in the same family!
Sounds like a 90s diesel strain that’ll have you coughing your balls off.
Yes and others more, but hops are the nearest parent, because of this also cannabis is used to make beer
I guess people that keep thinking this are going The wrong way down a one way street
Ah… Benny Harvey RIP. Gone but not forgotten
Is this …bioessentialism?
So indica and ruderalis are just sativa variations?
Found the upvotes farmer 😜 … I’m just kidding. But yeah it should have been obvious how much response this would get
can’t resist shameless b8. also it’s interesting. :)
I lost 3 years of me life to Cannabis
Yarr, sorry to hear that matey.
That psychological addiction can be rough, fam. It affects some more than others. I’ve quit more than a couple times. Hope you’re doing well and holding strong.
The Cannabis wasn’t the problem mate, it was the 4 year CBD program that was meant to get us off it!
Nvm then
Too late, I mind.
Are you bullshitting or am I missing something here?
So you don’t know who the guy in the meme is…?
And another four to the cbd that was supposed to get me aff it.
Oh hi Jacqueline!
