After rolling out its password manager to a limited number of users in April, Proton has finally released the service to the general public. The tool, called Proton Pass, uses end-to-end encryption to keep your usernames and passwords away from third parties, including Proton itself. It also lets you create and store randomly generated email aliases that you can use in place of your real address.
I don’t care which password manager you use, as long as you use one (and it’s secure). It’s such a game changer.
so this means use a password manager that isn’t lastpass.
It looks pretty good. I’m well ensconced in bitwarden, but I’d totally check this out too.
Security wise, there´s probably no reason to consider leaving Bitwarden. Feature wise, bitwarden already has almost all bases covered when it comes to being a password manager. UI is where it would probably be easiest to get ahead. Pricing on the other hand seems a bit expensive on Protons side. The have the “limited offer” now for 1€ a month, which is already 2€ more per year than Bitwarden, but they write that the regular price would be 4,99 a month, which would be beyond rough compared to BW.
I’d assume there’s a price tier that includes their other premium services though I think? So you’d also get multiple email addresses with them, 500gb cloud storage, and their VPN’s premium features. Not everyone will want all that but if you do it seems like a good deal as a bundle.
Yeah that is the Proton Unlimited plan.
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What does “keep your passwords overseas” mean?
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Ah I see. Well, I live in Germany, so that’s why I was confused about the overseas party.
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I would. But I also trust in both bitwardens word as well as what I read (I actually did back when I decided to use bitwarden) in the external audit concerning the encryption of my vault. So, as things are at the moment, the feds can raid bitwarden, or azure for that matter, all they want, they will still not get my passwords.
BitWarden user as well. LOVE it. I really can’t imagine life without it.
I dig Proton’s overall goal, specifically making the antiquated tech that is email secure & private. Yet, if someone uses Proton’s email, calendar, cloud & VPN, I see it making more sense storing passwords elsewhere. This way everything is not under the same umbrella. Anyone else on the same page or am I over thinking it?
I agree, seems sensible though no big deal otherwise. But to be honest i never trusted any cloud provider with my personal passwords and always just managed my own KeePass database by syncing it myself.
Interesting, I want to selfhost Bitwarden but just haven’t had the time to sit down and figure it out.
Any reason you use KeePass over Bitwarden?
I’m not sure if BitWarden was available (or at least it was unknown to me) at the time i created my KeePass database - so it’s just historical.
KeePass isn’t hosted, you just have a database file (*.kdbx file) you have to sync yourself (if you want) - i used Syncthing in the past, now i have a small Nextcloud instance which has a webinterface and clients / apps to access it from anywhere and sync stuff between devices if i want.
Here is the actual blog post from Proton.
Not really anything here compelling me to switch from Bitwarden. I don’t see it worth paying for on its own, but being included with a standard Proton subscription is good.
Honestly, it’s just better to use bitwarden, as they have more reputation, or keepass and syncthing if you want to keep your passwords off the internet completely
I use Protonmail and I really love it. Has anyone had experience with their password manager?
For me it is not acceptable for password manager not to be opensource, client and server and they can provide service for syncing.
Companies can be nice, but also can be sold to anyone at anytime.
If you have IOS, then their password manager has all the features proton has, fake emails, 2 factor encryption, for free, these are paid features on proton.
On the other hand proton is open source. and can use it on non apple devices, android, linux, windows.
Proton open source is mainly a marketing facade.
All the code is in a giant repo all mixed (drive, email, and so on) with no documentation whatsoever. Technically it’s open source, but you can’t take it and self host the service like you can do with a real open source product
Edit: I just watched and it’s even worse than I imagined. No server components are open sourced and the client parts are hard coded to access the official servers. It’s like if I say “this car is open source. Except the engine, all the parts are proprietary design to work only with the secret engine, and anyway there aren’t any instructions, good luck with your diy”
I guess to me, being open source is more about the ability that it can be audited. I don’t care whatsoever about hosting my own proton mail / drive / vpn (which I use constantly all the time) but I do care if it’s audited and secure.
That said, I know they claim to be open source and audited, but I’ve never double checked those claims. Probably should.
To name more alternatives, Bitwarden is 10 € per year and you get to support an open source project.
Unfortunately I need my password manager available on all the platforms I use. I love Apple’s, and I totally trust them with my data, but I can’t install it on any browser or my Windows or Linux machines so it’s a nonstarter for me.
