It’s unfortunate but there are a ton of shitbag people out there whose method of using the Internet is to be as shitty as they can be. Whether it’s fascism, abuse, sexism, racism, harassment, or just being the kind of person nobody wants to be around, these are real-life humans who’ve always been around and volunteer moderators/admins have always had to deal with. It’s as old as Usenet and if you’ve ever done in-person community management you know that it’s just a feature of our society in general. (People are just a little more wary of being yelled at and punched in person though.)
Downvotes and user moderation is more than enough. Giving unlimited power of content manipulation to a secret cabal of powerusers is not a solution, it’s a dictatorship worse than whatever the bad users could muster.
Any such system, can burn for all I care. I am so, so fed up with the control freaks. who think they’re better than everyone.
Make every user a moderator, and make their moderation public and proportionnate with their status as one of the users.
Then other user content discovery algorithm will just not pick the comment with 30 downvotes and 10 user blocks. Moderators are completely superfluous and in fact destroy the system as they plainly are doing to lemmy right now.
I don’t care to have do my part downvoting a nazi once in a while. Much better that than to be the powerless victim of power tripping moderators.
Either you haven’t seen how vile people can get and how it makes a place inhospitable for people to hang out and chat, or you have and just don’t care. Either way, Lemmy is already more transparent about its moderation actions (Modlog) than most other places on the internet, and you’re welcome to join an instance that has a moderation philosophy in line with what you’re talking about. Just don’t be surprised when the vast majority of people prefer a curated space where Nazis are not only downvoted but shown the door.
Well, that sucks, now there’s only going to be “onebiginstance” and for each community, there will only be the “onebigcommunity”
Federation is meaningless and we’re right back to reddit, with way less people, more draconian moderation that is also a lot weaker at the same time.
This is a huge let down.
Fortunately I’ve almost made reddit usable again so I won’t mind, it’s just so frustrating to see ideological minded folks throw away the possibility of making a decentralized reddit like and just throw it all away because of some scarecrows and old ideas about king-moderators that have to do it all themselves.
I can easily overcome any of these limitations, access control and moderators, but nothing I can do will incite people write in tiny communities in tiny instances.
Even when I code up an interface to see all /c/mycommunity on all instances. There won’t be anything there to read anyway.
It’s unfortunate but there are a ton of shitbag people out there whose method of using the Internet is to be as shitty as they can be. Whether it’s fascism, abuse, sexism, racism, harassment, or just being the kind of person nobody wants to be around, these are real-life humans who’ve always been around and volunteer moderators/admins have always had to deal with. It’s as old as Usenet and if you’ve ever done in-person community management you know that it’s just a feature of our society in general. (People are just a little more wary of being yelled at and punched in person though.)
Downvotes and user moderation is more than enough. Giving unlimited power of content manipulation to a secret cabal of powerusers is not a solution, it’s a dictatorship worse than whatever the bad users could muster.
Any such system, can burn for all I care. I am so, so fed up with the control freaks. who think they’re better than everyone.
Make every user a moderator, and make their moderation public and proportionnate with their status as one of the users.
Then other user content discovery algorithm will just not pick the comment with 30 downvotes and 10 user blocks. Moderators are completely superfluous and in fact destroy the system as they plainly are doing to lemmy right now.
I don’t care to have do my part downvoting a nazi once in a while. Much better that than to be the powerless victim of power tripping moderators.
Either you haven’t seen how vile people can get and how it makes a place inhospitable for people to hang out and chat, or you have and just don’t care. Either way, Lemmy is already more transparent about its moderation actions (Modlog) than most other places on the internet, and you’re welcome to join an instance that has a moderation philosophy in line with what you’re talking about. Just don’t be surprised when the vast majority of people prefer a curated space where Nazis are not only downvoted but shown the door.
Well, that sucks, now there’s only going to be “onebiginstance” and for each community, there will only be the “onebigcommunity” Federation is meaningless and we’re right back to reddit, with way less people, more draconian moderation that is also a lot weaker at the same time.
This is a huge let down. Fortunately I’ve almost made reddit usable again so I won’t mind, it’s just so frustrating to see ideological minded folks throw away the possibility of making a decentralized reddit like and just throw it all away because of some scarecrows and old ideas about king-moderators that have to do it all themselves.
I can easily overcome any of these limitations, access control and moderators, but nothing I can do will incite people write in tiny communities in tiny instances. Even when I code up an interface to see all /c/mycommunity on all instances. There won’t be anything there to read anyway.