So many ‘both sides are the same’ memes by Blue MAGA trying to voter shame like they do ever election year. We don’t live in a democracy, we haven’t in awhile. Another example of the plutocracy surfaced today…

  • mozz@mbin.grits.dev
    5·
    6 months ago

    If there’s one thing that’s definitely associated in my mind with Trump, it’s “can be bullied into a sensible Covid policy.” Who can forget the way everyone was able to keep him on an even keel during Covid, and how all Trump’s openness to sensible policy went out the window and people started dying, when Biden came along.

    • Diva (she/her)
      13·
      6 months ago

      At least the blue magas were pretending to care then, before it was time to declare “back to normal” so that they can reduce the social security liability more by getting people killed needlessly.

        • Diva (she/her)
          13·
          6 months ago

          Not even remotely enough, good God this is what happens when the bar is on the floor, people just vomit out useless statistics like they’re actually making a difference

          • mozz@mbin.grits.dev
            4·
            6 months ago

            Not even remotely enough

            This part, I actually 100% agree with.

            On the other hand, if the house is on fire, and one firefighter as soon as he gets on scene removes 40% of the gasoline from the garage even with a lot of people trying to fistfight him for doing that much, and the other firefighter says we have to get more gasoline in the house because taking away the gasoline is a Chinese plot to cripple our economy, I would feel comfortable saying that someone on Lemmy who is claiming the second firefighter is actually the superior firefighter is talking pure unadulterated weapons grade bollocks.

            Okay, next one: Hundreds of billions of dollars worth of student loan forgiveness. Your turn, go!

            • Diva (she/her)
              13·
              6 months ago

              I think we both agree that it’s not enough- where we disagree is how credible an alterative Biden is, because you’ve dramatically oversimplified things in his favor in your metaphor. I’m not going to torture that metaphor any further as a response because I’m opposed to unnecessary cruelty on general principle.

              The reality is Biden has been the one continuing the Trump trade war shit on China. If this is really something you people are taking seriously why is he tariffing EVs and solar panels rather than doing whatever is necessary to meet our goals? I’m not exactly a free market girl, but American industry is not being served by these actions, and any subsidies handed to these industries immediately turn into stock buybacks. Something needs to fundamentally change and that’s off brand for you guys.

              re: student loan shit, I also think that wasn’t enough because the ‘academic industry’ needs to be razed to the ground and nationalized. And yes that includes all the stupid ‘ivy leagues’

              • mozz@mbin.grits.dev
                4·
                6 months ago

                not enough

                wasn’t enough

                Do you think Trump is enough?

                I mean, I don’t think Biden is enough either, but using that as an argument for why Trump is better is some Mr. Mxyzptlk logic.

                Biden has been the one continuing the Trump trade war shit on China

                That’s a good point; he spent hundreds of billions of dollars (which he raised by increasing corporate tax) on boosting domestic manufacturing adding like 700,000 manufacturing jobs last I checked, instead of continuing to have everything constructed abroad and rich middlemen keeping all the profits.

                The WTO, if you remember those guys, was so angry about how he’s running his trade policy that they ordered him to change it back, and his State Department told them to piss up a rope we’re not changing a damn thing, representing one more big break he’s making with the neoliberal shit that is the recent history of the Democrats. It’s a good point, and I’m glad you brought it up.

                • Diva (she/her)
                  13·
                  6 months ago

                  I’ll believe that domestic manufacturing when I see it, frankly. Democrats are big on promising things which haven’t happened yet. Ie how you’re taking credit for lowering emissions 2-6 years into some future presidents term

                  • mozz@mbin.grits.dev
                    4·
                    6 months ago

                    Here ya go. It is, of course, a little more complex than I made it sound, but if I wanted to cherry-pick the sides of it that are good for Biden I’d say:

                    On the job statistics, Biden is numerically correct. However, experts say he should use more caution…

                    Officials pointed to data showing that it took 30 months — from April 2020 to September 2022 — for manufacturing jobs to return to their pre-pandemic recession peak. That may sound like a long time, but after the recessions that struck in 1990, 2001 and 2007, manufacturing jobs never even bounced back to their prior level after 100 months.

                    Biden has created “a climate for factory investment that we haven’t seen for generations,” including the investments in infrastructure, clean energy manufacturing and semiconductors, Paul told PolitiFact. These are “already paying dividends. You can see from the ubiquitous factory announcements almost every week.”

                    Gary Burtless, an economist at the Brookings Institution, a research and policy center in Washington, D.C., agreed that the gain in about 700,000 manufacturing jobs since the pandemic-era low has been unusually rapid.

                    Not planning to respond to the other part, delving a little into why you’re claiming Trump is better exactly?