I agree, it doesn’t have to be. But if you want assistance, that assistance can inform you before assisting. You can inject bleach at home, but a doctor doesn’t have to do it for you. Your autonomy does not obligate others to act.
Ok great, then people can commit suicide at home but that doesn’t compel anyone to act to assist them. Looks like my stance is fully consistent with bodily autonomy and your objection is meaningless.
My objection, my objection to what? I think you’re maybe taking the whole “roleplay your username” a bit far. You don’t even know what you’re arguing at this point. You brought up a person wanting to get injected with bleach randomly like some gotcha when everyone here is in favor of autonomy. I agree people should be able to do it at home. Others shouldn’t be compelled to help but they should be allowed to help if they want to. What exactly did I object against?
You’re the one who said “I don’t support any right as an absolute principle.” If anything you seem to be against %100 body autonomy.
Your objection to my position, which is that you claim it’s contrary to bodily autonomy.
Of course I’m against taking bodily autonomy as an absolute principle, because no rights are absolute. However, the way you’ve defined it, “absolute bodily autonomy” still allows you to be barred from doing something if a doctor decides you’re not informed enough, or if it would mean compelling someone to assist you. That isn’t what absolute means to me, but I’m willing to accept your definition. But by that definition, opposition to assisted suicide is comparable with “absolute bodily autonomy.” So your claim that I don’t support bodily autonomy is baseless.
I don’t see what the confusion is. If absolute bodily autonomy can’t compel people to act, then assisted suicide, which by definition involves another person’s assistance, isn’t covered by bodily autonomy.
I’m the one trying to highlight nuance, you’re the one trying to insist everything’s black and white.
Yes, the “No you are.” I’m in favor of %100 body autonomy, what nuance am I missing?
100% absolute body autonomy would mean consent doesn’t have to be informed. That’s the meaning of the word “absolute.”
I agree, it doesn’t have to be. But if you want assistance, that assistance can inform you before assisting. You can inject bleach at home, but a doctor doesn’t have to do it for you. Your autonomy does not obligate others to act.
Ok great, then people can commit suicide at home but that doesn’t compel anyone to act to assist them. Looks like my stance is fully consistent with bodily autonomy and your objection is meaningless.
My objection, my objection to what? I think you’re maybe taking the whole “roleplay your username” a bit far. You don’t even know what you’re arguing at this point. You brought up a person wanting to get injected with bleach randomly like some gotcha when everyone here is in favor of autonomy. I agree people should be able to do it at home. Others shouldn’t be compelled to help but they should be allowed to help if they want to. What exactly did I object against?
You’re the one who said “I don’t support any right as an absolute principle.” If anything you seem to be against %100 body autonomy.
Your objection to my position, which is that you claim it’s contrary to bodily autonomy.
Of course I’m against taking bodily autonomy as an absolute principle, because no rights are absolute. However, the way you’ve defined it, “absolute bodily autonomy” still allows you to be barred from doing something if a doctor decides you’re not informed enough, or if it would mean compelling someone to assist you. That isn’t what absolute means to me, but I’m willing to accept your definition. But by that definition, opposition to assisted suicide is comparable with “absolute bodily autonomy.” So your claim that I don’t support bodily autonomy is baseless.
I don’t see what the confusion is. If absolute bodily autonomy can’t compel people to act, then assisted suicide, which by definition involves another person’s assistance, isn’t covered by bodily autonomy.