• Habahnow@sh.itjust.works
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    7 months ago

    It does sadly. On the flip side, China seems to be trying to capture car manufacturing markets by subsidizing their producers. This would probably be a bad thing in the future if allowed. Hopefully the US government does more work on making it easier to purchase electric cars in the US(specifically the price) while also reducing the need for driving.

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      7 months ago

      What exactly is wrong with a country subsidizing green energy products? Not only that, but making them available cheaply to other countries?

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        7 months ago

        The US Government doesn’t want US automakers to lose market share so that they have plenty of manufacturing capacity that could be retooled to make weapons in case of war.

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        I’m not precisely sure where I stand on this, but I understand the primary policy arguments for this decision would be something like this:

        The problem comes later, when a specific actor has an outsized market share and then exploits their trade advantage for other concessions.

        It also prohibits domestic competition for those products, especially in countries with high standards of living and wages. This negates competition and innovation, since most corporations don’t have the ability to compete with an entity with the capacity to eat cost like the Chinese government.

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          The point of trade decisions, is to import products you don’t have enough domestic production to cover the demand for.

          We know that the US auto and oil industries have no sincere desire to build EVs anyway (or any green industry whatsoever), because they did their best to kill their domestic production of EVs in the 90s, and there’s no US industry for solar panels.

          This is all just part of the US’s trade war with China, that is prioritizing the profits of its auto and oil industries over the wellbeing of the environment, and the desires of its citizens for electric vehicles.

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            I can’t say I disagree with anything you’ve said. It really is silly, given the US auto manufacturer industry’s continuous fuck ups, and pulling out of EVs. But hopefully this makes risk taking more likely in other countries’ car industries to move into the US market. Tesla seemed close to really catching on, but then again EVs have always been seen as “elite” here.

            But I suppose the question is whether there is that much demand for EVs? This could protect what demand there is, to at least make an even playing field for US or US ally made EVs.

            Speaking to your first point: users of Lemmy aside, I don’t think there’s that much demand for pure electric vehicle yet across the US. We so routinely travel such long distances here, and charging infrastructure just isn’t quite there outside of urban corridors to facilitate the easy usage of fully electric vehicles.

            So hopefully this can protect domestic or other countries’ industries until the idiots that comprise the US consumer market catch up to global realities.

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              But I suppose the question is whether there is that much demand for EVs?

              Remove the tariffs / open up the market and you’ll find out. I suspect that there wouldn’t be a need for these tariffs if the demand wasn’t there.

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        it undermines any less subsidized green energy industry which can lead to monopolies in the long run.

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        They’re oversaturating the market with low-quality products. This can be a significant problem when there are safety implications.

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          I’m sorry but this argument doesn’t make sense. Don’t you have safety rules in the US? If the Chinese cars aren’t safe to drive nobody should be authorized to drive them in the first place. If they are safe, no need for tariffs then.

          This decision has absolutely nothing to do with alleged poor manufacturing quality. It’s protectionism, pure and simple.

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          Why can’t they just certify cars based on safety and ban unsafe ones instead of blanket ban the entire segment of them. It certainly helps the adoption of EV among masses.

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            This is what the NHTSA has done since its formation in 1970.

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          The Chinese cars are probably much safer on the road then the huge pedestrian killing machines built by US manufacturers.

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      Also no US auto-manufacturer is going all in on EVs, they’re all mostly building gas-guzzling oversized trucks and SUVs. US automakers intentionally killed EVs in the 90s, and hoped no other country would start building them.

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        Also no US auto-manufacturer is going all in on EVs

        Tesla? Rivian? Lucid? Faraday? Fisker?

        To be clear, yes, of course I understand that those are all luxury brands, but that doesn’t make your statement any less false.

        No, the major auto manufacturers aren’t going all-in on EVs, but that are all getting deeper every year. There’s no reason to expect that progress to slow down, as they’re all quite entrenched in the technology at this point.