I don’t get it. Well I do. But I’ve yet to have a satisfactory conservative response to the following :
Intersex people exist. That is, at least 1 out of every 1,750 babies are born with both sexual organs. Therefore by their existence we know that there is a blurred line between genders and those people exist there. Even if I go along with them that transgender behavior is a mental illness (it’s not, this is just a thought experiment), what exactly do they propose we do about intersex individuals who are literally neither male nor female?
1 out of 1,750 would put the intersex population in the United States at approximately 194,000 individuals. For reference, that would be about 10% of the population of Nebraska or Idaho. That’s how many people I am discussing and who seem to always be left out of the conversation.
Oh, they include it in the bills that ban trans care: continue forcing “corrective” surgery on intersex people. That kind of surgery on the genitals of children is always exempted from the trans care bans.
That seems so cruel, I don’t get it at all. Sorry you triggered another rant, I’m not shouting at you I’m just shouting, lol.
Using conservative logic, should the babies, made by God, not be left as He made them?
It also seems cruel to mutilate a child born between genders before they have the opportunity to come of age and know who they are. I’ve heard multiple accounts of intersex people, who the doctor removed one of their sexual organs then become suicidal when they reach adulthood because they essentially feel like a castrated man, or the female equivalent.
Just imagine you were born and had your sexual organs removed as a baby, how would you feel? Pause and imagine living life castrated. If I invest 3 seconds of thought into that, I conclude, “Nah, best not risk doing that to someone, if I was born that way I’d certainly prefer a choice. Let’s let them grow up first.”
Does being conservative simply require a lack of imagination about these things? It seems so obvious.
Circumcisioning infants is pretty fucked up in my book too.
Saw myself naked on DMT in a mirror. The nerves remember that shit.
Imagine, first thing you coming to the world and your parents have part of you cut off. We treat infants this way everyday in the U.S.
Yet, zero moral panic from the Right. Because this is about stoking the fires of prejudice. And not saving children or whatever other bullshit the latest demogogue uses to target transpeople.
Yeah, that is scary. Chosen by whom? I’d imagine if anyone reading this paused and thought, “If I was that baby, who would I want to make that choice?” I think everyone would pick themselves. Men reading this would wanna pick male and women reading this would wanna pick female.
Anyway it’s fun to think about. But I’m done thinking.
TL;DW: The modern concept of gender as separate from sex was not (originally) a progressive move. It was conservatives’ reaction to the medical discoveries of the nebulous nature of biological sex, to justify imposing the gender binary on trans people and especially intersex children.
Conservatives claim to care a lot about protecting trans kids from “radical decisions”, but the places that enact legislation to prevent teenagers from using puberty blockers are the same places that still allow and encourage mutilating surgeries on intersex babies.
It is not an accident. It is ideologically consistent with conservatives’ drive to impose their religious and cultural vision of the binary gender as a completely fixed universal truth, and they’ll use extreme violence to ensure it remains binary, fixed and universal.
I don’t get it. Well I do. But I’ve yet to have a satisfactory conservative response to the following :
Intersex people exist. That is, at least 1 out of every 1,750 babies are born with both sexual organs. Therefore by their existence we know that there is a blurred line between genders and those people exist there. Even if I go along with them that transgender behavior is a mental illness (it’s not, this is just a thought experiment), what exactly do they propose we do about intersex individuals who are literally neither male nor female?
1 out of 1,750 would put the intersex population in the United States at approximately 194,000 individuals. For reference, that would be about 10% of the population of Nebraska or Idaho. That’s how many people I am discussing and who seem to always be left out of the conversation.
Oh, they include it in the bills that ban trans care: continue forcing “corrective” surgery on intersex people. That kind of surgery on the genitals of children is always exempted from the trans care bans.
That seems so cruel, I don’t get it at all. Sorry you triggered another rant, I’m not shouting at you I’m just shouting, lol.
Using conservative logic, should the babies, made by God, not be left as He made them?
It also seems cruel to mutilate a child born between genders before they have the opportunity to come of age and know who they are. I’ve heard multiple accounts of intersex people, who the doctor removed one of their sexual organs then become suicidal when they reach adulthood because they essentially feel like a castrated man, or the female equivalent.
Just imagine you were born and had your sexual organs removed as a baby, how would you feel? Pause and imagine living life castrated. If I invest 3 seconds of thought into that, I conclude, “Nah, best not risk doing that to someone, if I was born that way I’d certainly prefer a choice. Let’s let them grow up first.”
Does being conservative simply require a lack of imagination about these things? It seems so obvious.
Circumcisioning infants is pretty fucked up in my book too.
Saw myself naked on DMT in a mirror. The nerves remember that shit.
Imagine, first thing you coming to the world and your parents have part of you cut off. We treat infants this way everyday in the U.S.
Yet, zero moral panic from the Right. Because this is about stoking the fires of prejudice. And not saving children or whatever other bullshit the latest demogogue uses to target transpeople.
These two words do not go together. There is your problem.
They just want yet another group to stick their boots into. The reasons don’t matter at all.
Exactly. Being able to blame their problems on ‘other people’ is the basis of their identity.
To them once one of either sex has been chosen then the baby is a boy or a girl and that’s it.
Yeah, that is scary. Chosen by whom? I’d imagine if anyone reading this paused and thought, “If I was that baby, who would I want to make that choice?” I think everyone would pick themselves. Men reading this would wanna pick male and women reading this would wanna pick female.
Anyway it’s fun to think about. But I’m done thinking.
I’m really stoned and ranty. Bed time.
Thanks for the chat!
They don’t actually care about “the children” or people in general and the concept of nuance is non-existent in their worldview.
They literally don’t care how many folks are hurt by these laws. Ethics? They’ve never heard the word before. Its sad, scary and infuriating.
They just think about intersex as disabled individuals.
Or at the rate they’re going, as subhuman filth to be sent to extermination camps.
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TL;DW: The modern concept of gender as separate from sex was not (originally) a progressive move. It was conservatives’ reaction to the medical discoveries of the nebulous nature of biological sex, to justify imposing the gender binary on trans people and especially intersex children.
Conservatives claim to care a lot about protecting trans kids from “radical decisions”, but the places that enact legislation to prevent teenagers from using puberty blockers are the same places that still allow and encourage mutilating surgeries on intersex babies.
It is not an accident. It is ideologically consistent with conservatives’ drive to impose their religious and cultural vision of the binary gender as a completely fixed universal truth, and they’ll use extreme violence to ensure it remains binary, fixed and universal.