According to internal assessments within the UK government, the UK should prepare for the scenario of an unexpected collapse of the Russian Federation so that such events do not take London by surprise.
So, the two conflicting armies of Russia shooting at each other, the minister of defence not anticipating this although he instigated it, the president running away, both (minister and president) not addressing the nation in a speech for 3 days after the incident, and the revolutionary leaving on his own account without suffering any substantial losses?
The Russian army bombarded Wagner camps, starting the whole affair, Wagner shot down helicopters of the Russian army during the march. Do you think that will strengthen the ties between Wagner troops and the Russian army to cooperate better in the future? Wagner didn’t face any notable resistance the first cities they passed through, and that is a show of strength for Putin? Yeah, no. I don’t think that makes much sense, sorry.
Putin will have to go full berserker mode now to portrait some strength, make an example of the mayors of those cities, axe the minster of defence for being obviously incompetent here, and arrange a polonium-tea or something for Prigozhin. And while this might help him save his face as strong leader, it will probably lead to more resistance from others.
Mayors? You think 2 mayors not acting quickly enough on shaky unknown information within just hours shows that the state is weak?
The issue is that there was NO support for Prigo. He was totally isolated. Not one single person in a military or political position of power came to his side as he had hoped. Every single actual source of power in the country (and outside of it) backed Putin.
Compare this to 1991 when the communists attempted a coup in the soviet union to (correctly) prevent its eventual dissolution. They had the Gang of Eight which included:
Gennady Yanayev (1937–2010), Vice President
Valentin Pavlov (1937–2003), Premier
Boris Pugo (1937–1991), Interior Minister
Dmitry Yazov (1924–2020), Defense Minister and Marshal of the Soviet Union
Vladimir Kryuchkov (1924–2007), Chairman of the KGB
Oleg Baklanov (1932–2021), First Deputy Chairman of the Defense Council of the USSR
Vasily Starodubtsev (1931–2011), Chairman of the Peasants’ Union of the USSR
Alexander Tizyakov (1926–2019), President of the Association of State Enterprises
This was a REAL and powerful coup attempt with real political and military support. A true split in the country.
They failed, and no further attempt would occur afterwards, it strengthened the state and the opposition forces that sought to end socialism in the country and bring about the economic hell of Shock Therapy.
You can not possibly argue that this mutiny (calling it a coup compared to past failures is laughable), by one man with literally zero allies, which ended in a single day has done anything other than strengthen the state by showing everyone how there is no political or military division. Not to mention Wagner is being disbanded as well so that only brings that chapter to a close. The only thing this has achieved is consolidating power in the state and closing the door on any possibility of a collapse for a decade or until Putin ages out of power (damn he’s old now).
You people need to get more realistic.
EDIT: I sincerely do not understand why liberals downvote factual information simply because they dislike it. Nothing changes as a result of doing so, it just reinforces the point that you don’t have a coherent worldview and don’t take on board information outside of the media bubble you live in. You only regurgitate what the media tells you to think regardless of whether it fits with anything historical or not. It’s maddening behaviour and you’re making Lemmy worse by behaving like this.
If you disagree, chat about why you disagree and think that this is somehow about to magically end the current factional powers that control the russian state and bring about a mystical change in direction.
I think a lot of you have projected your anti-war positions onto Prigo without even realising this was not an anti-war rebellion and that his dissatisfaction with the generals was about them not going HARD enough. Had he gotten his way things would get considerably worse for Ukraine, not at all better.
So, the two conflicting armies of Russia shooting at each other, the minister of defence not anticipating this although he instigated it, the president running away, both (minister and president) not addressing the nation in a speech for 3 days after the incident, and the revolutionary leaving on his own account without suffering any substantial losses?
The Russian army bombarded Wagner camps, starting the whole affair, Wagner shot down helicopters of the Russian army during the march. Do you think that will strengthen the ties between Wagner troops and the Russian army to cooperate better in the future? Wagner didn’t face any notable resistance the first cities they passed through, and that is a show of strength for Putin? Yeah, no. I don’t think that makes much sense, sorry.
Putin will have to go full berserker mode now to portrait some strength, make an example of the mayors of those cities, axe the minster of defence for being obviously incompetent here, and arrange a polonium-tea or something for Prigozhin. And while this might help him save his face as strong leader, it will probably lead to more resistance from others.
Why are liberals this delusional?
Mayors? You think 2 mayors not acting quickly enough on shaky unknown information within just hours shows that the state is weak?
The issue is that there was NO support for Prigo. He was totally isolated. Not one single person in a military or political position of power came to his side as he had hoped. Every single actual source of power in the country (and outside of it) backed Putin.
Compare this to 1991 when the communists attempted a coup in the soviet union to (correctly) prevent its eventual dissolution. They had the Gang of Eight which included:
This was a REAL and powerful coup attempt with real political and military support. A true split in the country.
They failed, and no further attempt would occur afterwards, it strengthened the state and the opposition forces that sought to end socialism in the country and bring about the economic hell of Shock Therapy.
You can not possibly argue that this mutiny (calling it a coup compared to past failures is laughable), by one man with literally zero allies, which ended in a single day has done anything other than strengthen the state by showing everyone how there is no political or military division. Not to mention Wagner is being disbanded as well so that only brings that chapter to a close. The only thing this has achieved is consolidating power in the state and closing the door on any possibility of a collapse for a decade or until Putin ages out of power (damn he’s old now).
You people need to get more realistic.
EDIT: I sincerely do not understand why liberals downvote factual information simply because they dislike it. Nothing changes as a result of doing so, it just reinforces the point that you don’t have a coherent worldview and don’t take on board information outside of the media bubble you live in. You only regurgitate what the media tells you to think regardless of whether it fits with anything historical or not. It’s maddening behaviour and you’re making Lemmy worse by behaving like this.
If you disagree, chat about why you disagree and think that this is somehow about to magically end the current factional powers that control the russian state and bring about a mystical change in direction.
I think a lot of you have projected your anti-war positions onto Prigo without even realising this was not an anti-war rebellion and that his dissatisfaction with the generals was about them not going HARD enough. Had he gotten his way things would get considerably worse for Ukraine, not at all better.