This is the fourth or fifth one I’ve read about today. The kids are effecting change. I love it.
Thank you for spelling effecting correctly.
Isn’t effect a noun, affect a verb? Am I supposed to discern which in other ways?
To “affect” a change would be to alter the change itself, for example if the university had already been reviewing its portfolio then the protesters might be affecting the change by making it happen more quickly.
To “effect” a change would be to cause the change in the first place.
This is one of the few oddities of the English language that I struggle with constantly. It seems like, as a native speaker, most of the other ones just “feel” or “sound” right, but I haven’t been able to nail that down with effect/affect for some reason
The trouble is that both words have a verb sense and a noun sense.
The noun sense of affect is something like “mood” or “emotion” and isn’t used often, while the noun sense of effect is “thing that happened (because of some cause)” and is a rather common word.
The verb sense of affect is “to cause something to happen (to something)” and is a pretty common word, while the verb sense of effect is more like “to make something be true” as in “effecting change” above.
The mnemonic I use is from dungeons and dragons, some spells are “mind-affecting effects” meaning they change minds and they’re caused by the spell being cast.
If I use my Persuasion skill to help someone think their way through a problem, is that a “mind-effecting affect”?
I don’t know that I’d say persuasion skills are an affect, but if your mood gives people ideas, that’d work.
“Effect” can also be used as a verb, as used above.
Both can be both nouns and verbs. This to me is the most annoying English oddity of all.
I hope to effect a change in your perspective.
You know, I’m also super pedantic about this and only learned I’d been doing it wrong very recently.
These are full-grown adults in university. They are not kids.
It’s all relative
I greeted my fellow 20-ish-year-olds with “what’s up kids” at that age as a way of saying we were still young party machines. I am not disrespecting these folks.
I don’t think I’d consider most 18 year old “full grown adults”
Old enough to be sent to die and kill innocent non white people for profit so they are old enough to be adults.
The vast, vast majority of 18 year olds are not in the military, and it’s really weird to consider all 18 year olds adults because a tiny fraction of them are soldiers
I never once said they all were in the military or that them being in the military made them adults. I said if we consider them adult enough to be able to do that, then we need to just consider them adults in general.
Yeah, and I think that’s stupid. It doesn’t match reality. Just because 18 happens to be the age at which some policy says you’re allowed to be a solider, doesn’t magically make it the age that teens become adults.
And I think you are wrong.
In this case, no change happened because the university didn’t invest in Israel in the first place.
The students being allowed to peacefully protest at all is a nice change, and hearing about it could encourage other peaceful protesters, who could enact more direct change
it’s like violence is the response of an idiot or something
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They are only “supporting terrorist groups” in the eyes of those who are so incredibly racist that they think that all Palestinians, including children, are Hamas and hence all deserve to die.
The only way to bridge the logic chasm between “being against the mass killing of Palestinian children” and “supporting Hamas” is the extreme racist idea that “Palestinian children are Hamas”.
Brah… the protest calls for 2 things.
- BDS
- End of genocide
Neither one is in support of terrorist groups and last I check the ones inciting violence, which is on video for all to witness, was pro-Zionist protestors who came with weapons and attacked the opposition.
Nope. They’re not supporting Hamas, even indirectly because hamas is in control of Palestine. They’re raising awareness to the needless killing of children and other innocents
The Democrats are in the white house. So all Americans are Democrats
Thats actually a really good rebuttal
Self-deception is a process of denying or rationalizing away the relevance, significance, or importance of opposing evidence and logical argument. Self-deception involves convincing oneself of a truth (or lack of truth) so that one does not reveal any self-knowledge of the deception.
Do you condemn genocide?
Do you know the definition of the word genocide?
Yes. Do you condemn genocide?
So you support genocide. Got it, noting your account and disregarding anything you have to say.
Wow, this is more relevant to you than others. Why go in so hard initially with your previous comment if you’re only later going to present a statement like this. I do mean this kindly, let’s try and talk rather than go in aggressively on others who have differing views to you. How on earth can something so nuanced and difficult be reduced to an attacking comment?
You see the difference between “supporting terrorist groups” and not wanting to be complicit in indiscriminate killing of civilians, right?
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Believe it or not I’m against that as well.
Do you condemn genocide?
Wow, I guess listening to the protesters instead of calling cops on them is crazy 🙄
Yeah that’s… that’s the joke
You know what, honestly, I can’t blame the above commenter. Have you seen some of the trash headlines are made of these days?
Maybe if it were the National Review, Daily Caller, NYPost, or something like that.
It’s Jezebel, which tells us nothing except that I’m surprised they’re still in business.
Definitely in that case, but short of something wackily eye-catching like “infoturkbot” or w/e tf that garbage is, I usually dont notice the name until im already on the page. I’m just sayin, I could easily imagine a few circumstances that would lead to someone not getting the obvious sarcasm in the headline.
I think Jezebel should be included in the “something like that”
what if they listened but still disagreed with the protestors?
Then at least they should be able to say why they disagree exactly instead of “aNtiSeMiTiSm”
But would that change the outcome? I assume not really.
I guess not. But then again the chance of it happening is zero, or close to it.
Are you asking if direct action campaigns work against the powerful that disagree? Yes, yes they do.
