Large grocery stores around here offer cheaper gas if you shop at there store. This can be up to a dollar a gallon off.
The bitterness toward those with gas cars isn’t helping either. I drive an electric now and I like it, but I hate how we’re working so hard to force people. It’s not right. Freedom is important.
Freedom of choice is certainly important but we do all have to work together for the sake of our future and our children’s future. It is certainly a good idea to set efficiency and emissions standards, including up to a controlled transition to zero emissions.
It’s not even close to a situation of forcing any customers: we’re at a stage of forcing manufacturers to improve their products and work toward a transition in 11 years, and help encourage a growing market for them to profit by it.
This is back to old arguments like:
- free speech but you can’t yell “FIRE” in a coowded theater
- freedom to swing your arms, that stops before you hit my face
And connected to Tragedy of the Commons.
- breathable air and livable environments are something we all need in common. You have no right to take that from the rest of us
breathable air and livable environments are something we all need in common. You have no right to take that from the rest of us
And based on this logic, you only get the right to take my freedom when can prove that I’m taking your livable environment away.
Sure, we have standards to demonstrate that. We know that global warming is taking that livable environment away. We have established goals per country, and strategies to meet them. Those strategies map out limits for how much your vehicle can pollute, without being detrimental to everyone’s livable environment. Given the impact on people, we’ve made the compromise to phase those in over more than a decade, but after 2035 (in my state), the compromise is over. New cars for sale can no longer emit carbon dioxide as part of their operation.
Your existing vehicle is grandfathered since we hadn’t established those limits when it was manufactured, and it was the purchased with the expectation of being suitable for purpose
We know that global warming is taking that livable environment away
No we do not. You’re claiming that you are going to die, unless you take away my freedom.
Can you show me the evidence of a model that’s predicting humans being unable to live here due to global warming? I doubt that you can.
Read the news sometime. A memorable recent one I read included the history of a barrier island town, the nearby ones already abandoned, and whether they need to abandon it yet or if it was still livable. The root cause was sea level rise caused by global warming
I can’t say I’ve seen any people ‘forcing’ others to go out and replace a perfectly functional combustion car with an electric one - the manufacturers maybe. Most of the conversation I see is focused on the lack of low cost options when it’s time to purchase a brand new vehicle. Gas and electric both.
Once you move away from the brand new discussion, it seems pretty well agreed that keeping what you’ve got is the best option environmentally and financially. Buying used being a close second.
Freedom is important. But when the industry only offers you trucks and SUVs, where’s your choice?
Actually, buying a new electric car is better for the environment than keeping your current car.
https://arstechnica.com/cars/2022/04/new-ev-vs-old-beater-which-is-better-for-the-environment/
Unfortunately, like most issues we face, this is not a stand alone problem. I’ll concede, over the length of ownership of the car, a brand new electric vehicle is more environmentally friendly than keeping your current combustion engine vehicle.
However, we don’t live in a society where the majority can make that choice independent of other factors. EVs are more expensive across the board.
Even if the purchasing cost of an off-the-lot EV were equivalent to continued use of an older ICE across two years - most people can not afford it.
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Not when the planet and future generations are at stake.
Aside from even that, I rolled down my window this morning on my way to work to enjoy some fresh air and I got a big blast of toxic exhaust fumes. It’s literally poisoning the air around us. IMO people’s right to not breathe toxic fumes is more important than someone else’s right to drive a gas car just because they like it.
We aren’t there yet in terms of cost or electric charger availability, but once we are we should 100% ban gas cars.
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Gas discounts are pretty small.
At least for Kroger, you get $0.03 baseline with no discount. After you spend $100, you get one fill up with $0.10 discount up to 35 gallons. My vehicle in particular has 11 gallons. So my maximum discount is $1.10, up from base line $0.33 discount. $1.10 discount per $100 spent is barely worth it.
Even if you used all 35 gallons, that’s $3.50 discount per $100 spent.
So if you have a massive vehicle that takes 35 gallons, you can save $35 off the fill up after you spend $1000 in the store. Could you have saved that $35 by shopping at a different grocery store?
I eat meat daily, who thought grocery stores cared about the environment when trying to sell meat at “low costs” and advertising it as much as possible. If they sell beef, they are a big chunk of the beef.
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At get go at least if they catch you you gotta charge the full amount. I suppose that would be if the employees care enough lol
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I hate this shit. Groceries asking for phone numbers and cards and shit. I don’t even give a shit about the unwarranted indefensible invasion of privacy. I just don’t want to have to experience the interaction.
Gas stations themselves have loyalty programs as well. Same deal.
I’m doing about 52 miles a day in an EV that costs me $0.90-$1.20 a day depending on the temperature. Including other fees from power company is based off use it’s technically double so $1.80 to $2.40. Let me know where you are getting gas that cheap for ~2 gallons and I’ll go fill up for my mower please!
Yes they are, many of the ones in our town have EV chargers in the front row that is free. And then further out are the gas pumps that cost money.
This is a very North American problem.
Not really. Here in Australia, our supermarket duopoloy does the same thing, offering discounts per litre. At the time it all started, the supermarket chains started buying into/acquiring petrol stations and rebranding them. This has been going on for over 20 years.
Recently, both supermarkets sold off their petrol station chains, but the sales included long-standing agreements to continue to offer discounts and loyalty program points for those that shop at the associated supermarket brand.
Don’t worry, Australia can be honorary North American.
What do you expect from large coorporations? A conscience?
Yes, actually. And everyone else should, too.
They may not even have thought of it. If you’re a customer of such a place, you could suggest to them that there are people who drive EVs and a similar benefit for charging would attract those customers.
Of course it probably comes down to someone would need to decide it’s worth the investment of setting up a charging station, so it’s not going to be cheap or fast
Maybe they could also offer free EV charging spaces in parking stalls that are close to the store, in addition to still offering gasoline. They’re going to have customers that drive both.
I have never seen this except in the most gimmicky manner around me.
