[REPOST]
This was back in the '80s, my first job, working as a maintenance man at a local hotel. I’d been working there part-time since I was 16 and when I turned 18, I got a notice to attend jury duty. I picked a week and I let my boss know.
The owner of the hotel found out and sees me in the hallway and tells me that I need to do “whatever it takes” to get out of jury duty because he needs me at the hotel that week for a large dog show, and if I’m not at work, I’m fired.
When I get to jury duty, day 1, I get selected for a week-long trial, and the judge asks jurors if there’s any reason we cannot serve on the jury. They go around… When they get to me, I’m nervous, never been in court before and too scared to lie.
Cue malicious compliance.
I tell the judge that the owner of the business I work at will fire me if I’m not back today and said I needed to do everything I can to get out of jury duty or I’m fired, other than that I’m fine serving. The judge looks p*ssed.
The judge has me approach the bench, asks for the name of the owner, location, etc. Then he hands the court officer a paper and says something to the officer. I’m told to return to the jury box. About an hour later (still selecting a jury), the officer returns with the owner, visibly shaken, in handcuffs and walked to the front of the judge’s bench.
The owner is standing in front of the judge. The judge asks him questions which he apologetically tries to worm out of.
Then the judge instructs him that I will be here for jury duty, I will serve as long as I need to, and he should NOT do anything to retaliate against me – and that the judge is filing charges and will be instructing the clerk to check with me regularly and if, for any reason, I am fired or face any disciplinary action at work - he will hold the owner in contempt, violation of a court order, and a bunch more legal stuff. He will spend time in jail thinking about how important jury duty is.
Then the judge makes him apologize to me, in court!
I made it onto the jury and I served the week. I reported back to work the following week. I expected some blowback, but I never got fired, none of my shifts were changed and I got paid for my time in jury - I didn’t ask why I got paid.
The clerk did check back a few times and I was told to call the judge’s clerk’s direct phone number if anything happened. It was awesome, I was pretty much bullet-proof and worked until I saved enough to go back to school.
TL;DR: When I got my first notice for jury duty, my boss told me to get out of it or I’d be fired. Being the scared 18-year old that I was, when the judge asked if any of us couldn’t serve, I told him what my boss had said. The judge had my boss dragged into court and threatened with jail time. I ended up serving on the jury and getting paid for the days I missed at work.
It is interesting, but it’s also frustrating, and forced, effectively uncompensated work. I say ‘effectively’ uncompensated because they pay you a token amount that may have been adequate 100 years ago but now is not. Indeed, many people wind up making negative money when taking in the cost of travel and food, to say nothing of actual missed pay from their normal job.
That said it is actually kind of easy to get out of it if you really want to most of the time. When I served, the judge accepted any reasonable excuse from those who needed to leave. The most annoying part though was that it felt like the attorneys liked wasting time on irrelevant bullshit.
Additionally, when the judge asks if there’s any reason you can’t serve you can state you will never vote against your conscience regardless of the law, and that if you don’t believe a person should be punished you will not vote them guilty no matter what the law says. They do not want and will not take someone who votes their conscience above all else.
Unfortunately, the easiest way to get out of jury duty is to be a scientist, engineer, or lawyer. No attorney with half a brain wants anyone of those three professions to be on a jury deciding the fate of their client.
Well, my neuroscience professor told us the story where he served on a jury that related to brain injury. He thought it was odd they didn’t have a problem with him.
As an aside, the defendant’s expert witness explained some findings of 2 men, Santiago Ramón and Cajal. He then questioned to himself how much of an expert the witness was if he didn’t know that Santiago Ramón y Cajal was the name of a single man.
It’s this true? I’ve never heard this before
It’s this true? I’ve never heard this before
You can also just say you understand the concept of “jury nullification” and that will get the prosecutor and judge wanting you out ASAP.
If you truly believe in jury nullification, you won’t mention it to the judge or prosecutor though…
“Believe in”? It’s not a figment.
I’ll forever be annoyed at myself for a reply that got me out of jury duty.
I do understand the importance of the concept and I am willing to serve. My only objection so far is how wasteful it can be. I got called up several years in a row …. To miss work and sit in a dingy basement all day until being excused as “not needed”. I even understand the point that the court has to be ready, but there’s got to be a way to make it less inconvenient to “stand by”.
So the one time my jury duty might have turned into doing something useful for society in return for my inconvenience , I get called to the bench and was asked a few questions. Unfortunately I got hit with anxiety and babbled something that I recognized afterwards as the exact opposite as intended, and was immediately excused.
Edit: fine, I’ll say it. The people who would use it to get out of jury duty probably wouldn’t take their responsibility seriously anyway. I attempted to say something like “I hold the police to a higher standard as a witness since that is their job”, and it came out as “yes, I always believe the police”. Wtf?
Can you get in trouble for telling a judge that you do not believe that the court is inherently ethical and that you will only vote on the basis of your personal set of ethics?
See the courts upholding: slavery, the criminalization of certain people marrying, the infringement of other people’s rights, etc… Repeatedly throughout US history.
Nope. If they ask “are there any reasons you should not be selected as a juror” you can answer whatever you want. In fact: most judges would prefer you be upfront if you truly feel that way.
I told them I have a criminal record and have seen first-hand people lying in court and I will not believe anything a witness says and that goes double for a cop.