• join_the_iww [he/him]@hexbear.net
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    8 months ago

    What the hell does “self-determination” even mean? I feel like since 10/7 we’ve all been gaslit into the idea that “self-determination” is some obvious, uncontroversial thing

    • CoolYori [she/her]@hexbear.net
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      8 months ago

      Lebensraum or Manifest Destiny or self-determination, our enemies like to use flowery words. Their goal is to try to capture our emotions and to stoke the flames of nationalism. All they do is kindle the embers of hatred I have for America in my heart.

      Death to America

      EDIT: I fucking love that Manifest Destiny page. Its so fucking long justifying the wholesale slaughter of indigenous people but at the bottom is this throw away section that they probably felt they had to include.

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    8 months ago

    Judaism is a religion, and not a national identity. Regardless of how practitioners choose to interpret their own divine preselection in the context of their religious mythology, no child is born practicing a given religion. Choosing to practice Judaism does not confer an immediate divinely backed real-estate inheritance to land that a person has no living connection to on the basis of their choosing to identify with a millennia old historical state. A person born in the US who’s mom practiced Judaism doesn’t have a living familial claim to the historical Israelite kingdom, no matter how much they personally self-identify with it.

    I don’t get to claim that Christianity was my national identity in the womb, and that I’m therefore entitled to ownership of the modern state of Italy on the basis that “my people” choose to identify with the Roman Empire as part of our religious practice. I don’t get to kill or imprison all the non-Christian Italians or insist that recognition of Italy is actually persecution of “my people’s historical Roman heritage”.

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      8 months ago

      Not to mention the original zionists didn’t really seem to give a shit about the heritage part of it. They had plans to colonize Africa and even parts of the US. Israel being the final destination was just a happy coincidence, but the same genocide would’ve happened in practically every country outside of the west because the west would’ve just stopped pretending to not be antisemitic