Please. Captcha by default. Email domain filters. Auto-block federation from servers that don’t respect. By default. Urgent.

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And yes, to refute some comments, this publication is being upvoted by bots. A single computer was needed, not “thousands of dollars” spent.

  • Aux@lemmy.world
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    1 year ago

    Lemmy is just getting started and way too many people are talking about defederation for any reason possible. What is even the point of a federated platform if everyone’s trying to defederate? If you don’t like federation so much, go use Facebook or something.

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      1 year ago

      This. Defed is not the magic weapon that will solve all your problems. Captcha and email filters should be on by default though.

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        1 year ago

        Just to add to that, imagine people would start defeding email. Like WTF is that even? Defed should not even be an option.

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          imagine people would start defeding email

          There are literally globally maintained blacklists of spam email sources. When people lease a static IP address the first thing to do is to check it against the major email blacklists.

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          It happens to email ALL THE TIME, we just call it something different when it happens to email. Evaluating email for SPAM potential is an every-day common place occurrence, and for at least the past 10 years, a factor called ‘domain reputation’ is part of the equation. Entire domains get spam blacklisted because they refuse to enforce rules for their users. The end result is that some domains completely refuse to accept mail from some other domains.

          Blacklisting an entire domain can and does happen daily. It just doesn’t have the same triggering ring as the word “defederation” has.

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      My understanding from the beehaw defed is that more surgical moderation tools just don’t exist right now (and likely won’t for awhile unless the two Lemmy devs get some major help). Admins only really have a singular nuclear option to deal with other instances that aren’t able to tackle the bot problem.

      Personally I don’t see defederating as a bad thing. People and instances are working through who they want to be in their social network. The well managed servers will eventually rise to the top with the bot infested and draconian ones eventually falling into irrelevance.

      As a user this will result in some growing pains since Lemmy currently doesn’t offer a way to migrate your account. Personally I already have 3 Lemmy accounts. A good app front end that minimizes the friction from account switching would greatly help these growing pains.

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        As a user this will result in some growing pains since Lemmy currently doesn’t offer a way to migrate your account.

        Because you shouldn’t. Just like with other federated systems like e-mail or OAuth/OpenID, you don’t create accounts everywhere, you use ONE account everywhere instead.

        Personally I don’t see defederating as a bad thing.

        You should. Imagine e-mail server admins would start banning other e-mail services based on political or religious views and whatnot, that would fragment e-mail system and eventually destroy it. The only reason to defed other instance if such instance breaks the law. Just like we blacklist fraudulent mail server. Not because we don’t like fraud, but because it’s illegal.

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        EH was not defederated because it broke LW rules, it was defeded because it breaks laws. Defeding a porn instance because LW doesn’t allow porn won’t happen. Defeding a child porn instance will happen for sure.

        You shouldn’t defed some instance because their rules are different, because all rules are different. That will destroy fediverse before it starts. Everyone who disagrees simply doesn’t understand the point of Fediverse.

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            1 year ago

            Ok, I guess you’re from Belgium. Tell me one thing - is racism legal in Belgium? Because EH is clearly supporting and endorsing racism. That alone makes it illegal. At least here in the UK. There’s no need to invent some explanation for this specific case.

            • Antik 👾@lemmy.world
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              So because the rules we put on lemmy.world also match with laws - it’s because of the laws we decided to not federate with them? Not because we don’t want to deal with that kind of people in general? Because we personally don’t like bigots, racists and homophobes? And it wasn’t because we didn’t want to give them a platform here? Cool, I didn’t know.