“All they are trying to do is convince us that there is some kind of movement toward where we want,” Siblani said. “But it’s too slow and it’s dragging. It’s more death and casualties that are happening.”

The highest-profile example of the stonewalling came last week when a Palestinian American doctor walked out of a meeting with Biden. But interviews with Muslim and Arab American leaders reveal how that face-to-face protest was only the most conspicuous case of a fracture that has damaged crucial relationships and closed avenues needed to repair them.

But the situation presents a challenge for a president who believes in the political power of personal relationships and has prized his history of sitting down with opponents and critics. It could also jeopardize his reelection this year, with some Muslims warning they are unwilling to support Biden even it that risks returning Donald Trump, the presumptive Republican nominee, to the White House.

Salam Al-Marayati, who lives in Los Angeles and leads the Muslim Public Affairs Council, described the attitude as, “Forget them. They have to learn a lesson. And if they lose, that’s the lesson they should learn.”

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    You guys could join us.

    I bet you would rather support Biden sending more and more bombs, than stand with us and say no.

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      Okay, “us.” Which specific candidate should we vote for that has a legitimate chance of beating both Trump and Biden?

      Because “vote third party” will not beat Trump or Biden even if you wish really hard.

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        Don’t need a third candidate. Biden, if he were pressured, would change his stance on supporting the genocide if more Dem voters made it clear that is also in their interest.

        How? Attend protests Support BDS Write your elected representatives Sign petitions Like pro-Palestinian social media Spread the word

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          So you believe that a person who has not even been convinced to run yet is the person we should vote for that has a legitimate chance of beating both Trump and Biden?

          You honestly believe that?

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            I prefer to aim high and miss than aim low and hit.

            I did that with a president and an ex wife, both were horrible decisions.

            Trump is an asshole for sure, but I have faith in the democrats doing like they did last time and fucking up as much as possible.

            At least the Cheeto says what he means.

            Biden talks out the side of his mouth because he’s too busy gobbling Netanyahu’s balls with the rest.

            Besides i believe we deserve to suffer if trump gets elected, maybe we will learn this time about ignoring huge swaths of your supporters.

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              Sorry… “At least the guy announcing a genocidal dictatorship says what he means” is a reason why he should win?

              Besides i believe we deserve to suffer if trump gets elected

              Then I’m guessing you’re not brown or queer.

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                Nope, I just believe that keeping people alive is more important and that if people don’t realize that then you can burn with us.

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                  It’s not going to be an “us.” It’s going to be people aren’t you.

                  The truth is, you believe they deserve to suffer on your behalf for the successful election of someone they probably didn’t vote for.

                  And because you’re neither brown nor queer, you’ll be fine while they get marched into camps.

                  And when you refuse to be a camp guard, I hope you remember that you think they deserve to suffer.

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                    Yeah yeah yeah? We’ve danced tho dance already.

                    You believe quality of life is more important than being alive, I disagree.

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              You are a fucking shill for trump. “Says what he means”??? Hahah you cultist dipshit. He wants your money. That’s it.

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                Holy shit bro, are you deliberately ignoring the context here?

                Fuck the Cheeto and fuck Biden both, they both just want to kill brown people and that’s it.

                The only difference is Big Mac says what he means.

                The day that one of these two die is buried is the day the world gets a new urinal.

                C’mon Bro try harder.

                Also quote what I say in your comment, once we get too far into a thread I just have to click into your post history to find it.

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                  Try harder? You try harder. All you are doing is hedging bets and offering critique without solutions. For all your ponticating about shit ‘you know to be true’ you sure sound like you are devoid of some much needed culture. How long have you spent out of your sounthern village of 1500; when all you can come up with for an insult on California is “hippie shit”? It’s not lost on me that American politics is a sham. Frankly I think that’s really an aside here. You say trump says what he means and the worst insult you have for him is “Cheeto”. Meanwhile almost every comment you have about Biden starts with “fucking” and the dives into some watered down hyperbolic Fox News talking points. He is a war monger. Biden I mean. But you shilling for the con- Everyman because you have an abbreviated view of the world is embarrassing cause that asshole Is also a war monger. I happen to agree that they both want to kill brown people, that’s why I don’t make excuses for either of them. You do. Not only that but your need to interject with things like who’s a better or worst activist is moot cause tho you talk some shit, you are just sitting around on your ass proclaiming all-it-is-you-believe-to-be-true into your echo chamber. Try harder??? Get fucked. Your privilege is leaking. Also it’s so rich telling me to try harder when you are the one that first called me an asshole. I guess I would rather be that than some closeted sycophant who’s idea of activism stems from standing up for smoked meats and leaf blowers.

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                    I just hate him so much.

                    Everyone knew what trump was he was free and clear about his hatred and xenophobia.

                    Biden, I fell for. I thought he was going to be good, not great, but not just “not trump” then he did the railroad strike that way, but he eventually got them what they wanted.

                    Yeah it took a little longer, but lives weren’t really at stake over a few weeks on that one.

                    Then he did this shit, and now I hate him in the way that you can only hate someone who has betrayed you. My loyalty was shattered, so yeah, at least trump let me know he was a racist piece of shit. Hillary was my “Not Trump” vote.

                    One is just an obvious grifter and conman, the other is the same but he fooled me as well.