• fomo_erotic
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    2 years ago

    This seems like an attempt to inject the narrative that support for the war is waning.

    Classic WSJ.

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            Published on Feb 15, 2023 12:47 PM EDT

            • ☆ Yσɠƚԋσʂ ☆OP
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              Are you claiming support has gone up since then, please do link your sources.

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                putting more words in my mouth, i see.

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                  If you weren’t implying that the article isn’t representative of the current situation then do elaborate on what your comment actually meant using your own words.

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                    i didn’t claim that. i quoted from an independant fact-checking source. take your disagreement to them.

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            Just try and pay attention to whose work you are doing.

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              I’m pretty sure I’m not doing the work of the genocidal US empire as some people are here.

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                I’m not sure carrying water for the WSJ and “doing the work of the genocidal US empire” are separable. Maybe you should find better sources than the WSJ to support your pro-Russian imperialist stance. It would fit the narrative better.

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                  If you disagree with the specific points the article makes then feel free to articulate them.

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                    No.

                    I don’t carry water for the WSJ or other sources that engage in or promote American imperialism (or any other kind of imperialism for that matter).

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                no, just an imperial, genocidal, racist Russia instead. bravo.

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                  Not that this is a competition, but Russia isn’t even in the same league as US when it comes to genocide and racism. You lot murdered so many native people that the global climate cooled. Meanwhile, in more recent history your country murdered over 6 million people in your war on terror. Not to mention the horrors your shithole country has enacted upon Latin America. And then when people from there flee you put them in concentration camps.

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                    Not that this is a competition

                    makes it a competition

                    Ad hominem

                    Ad hominem (Latin for ‘to the person’), short for argumentum ad hominem, is a term that refers to several types of arguments, most of which are fallacious. Typically this term refers to a rhetorical strategy where the speaker attacks the character, motive, or some other attribute of the person making an argument rather than attacking the substance of the argument itself. This avoids genuine debate by creating a diversion to some irrelevant but often highly charged issue. The most common form of this fallacy is “A makes a claim x, B asserts that A holds a property that is unwelcome, and hence B concludes that argument x is wrong”.

                    Straw man

                    A straw man fallacy (sometimes written as strawman) is the informal fallacy of refuting an argument different from the one actually under discussion, while not recognizing or acknowledging the distinction.[1] One who engages in this fallacy is said to be “attacking a straw man”

                    Moving the Goalposts

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                    Whataboutism

                    Whataboutism or whataboutery (as in “what about…?”) denotes in a pejorative sense a procedure in which a critical question or argument is not answered or discussed, but retorted with a critical counter-question which expresses a counter-accusation. From a logical and argumentative point of view it is considered a variant of the tu-quoque pattern (Latin ‘you too’, term for a counter-accusation), which is a subtype of the ad-hominem argument.[1][2][3][4]

                    The communication intent is often to distract from the content of a topic (red herring). The goal may also be to question the justification for criticism and the legitimacy, integrity, and fairness of the critic, which can take on the character of discrediting the criticism, which may or may not be justified. Common accusations include double standards, and hypocrisy, but it can also be used to relativize criticism of one’s own viewpoints or behaviors. (A: “Long-term unemployment often means poverty in Germany.” B: “And what about the starving in Africa and Asia?”).[5] Related manipulation and propaganda techniques in the sense of rhetorical evasion of the topic are the change of topic and false balance (bothsidesism).

                    Tu quoque

                    Tu quoque (/tjuːˈkwoʊkwi, tuːˈkwoʊkweɪ/;[1] Latin Tū quoque, for “you also”) is a discussion technique that intends to discredit the opponent’s argument by attacking the opponent’s own personal behavior and actions as being inconsistent with their argument, therefore accusing hypocrisy. This specious reasoning is a special type of ad hominem attack. The Oxford English Dictionary cites John Cooke’s 1614 stage play The Cittie Gallant as the earliest use of the term in the English language.[1] “Whataboutism” is one particularly well-known modern instance of this technique.

                    and what does this have to do with this article anyway?

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      Thank you for your analysis, Mr. Fomo_Erotic. We can always count on you for an intelligent and dare I say sexy appraisal of the situation. Now I just need to check what Badonkadonklover69 has to say, and I will truly be well informed.