• cholesterol@lemmy.world
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    The word ‘monosyllabic’ isn’t monosyllabic.

    The word ‘alphabetic’ isn’t alphabetic.

    The word ‘palindrome’ isn’t a palindrome.

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      Those are all heterological words, just like “phonetic”.

      Autological (or homological) would be words like “pentasyllabic”, “unhyphenated” and “writable.”.

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          Uffff, right in my autism.

          Luckily the internet helps with that.

          https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Grelling–Nelson_paradox

          The paradox can be eliminated, without changing the meaning of “heterological” where it was previously well-defined, by modifying the definition of “heterological” slightly to hold all nonautological words except “heterological”. But “nonautological” is subject to the same paradox, for which this evasion is not applicable because the rules of English uniquely determine its meaning from that of “autological”. A similar slight modification to the definition of “autological” (such as declaring it false of “nonautological” and its synonyms) might seem to correct that, but the paradox still remains for synonyms of “autological” and “heterological” such as “self-descriptive” and “non–self-descriptive”, whose meanings also would need adjusting, and the consequences of those adjustments would then need to be pursued, and so on. Freeing English of the Grelling–Nelson paradox entails considerably more modification to the language than mere refinements of the definitions of “autological” and “heterological”, which need not even be in the language for the paradox to arise. The scope of these obstacles for English is comparable to that of Russell’s paradox for mathematics founded on sets.

          Tldr “does the set of all sets contain itself?”

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        My favorite is ‘Hippopotomonstrosesquippedaliophobia’, which is the word for the condition of being phobic of long words. Feels like the doctor who named that one was a bit of a dick XD

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    Sure it is. English just has multiple generations of “phonetic” that overlay, and are not consistent with, one another. It has, if you will, codebases that were forked, re-forked, and then occasionally merged back in after developing on their own for a few centuries, and no official steering committee was ever established. There is semi-official documentation, usually from self-appointed pedants, but even that adjusts as more features are merged in willy-nilly and workarounds emerge.

    English spelling is hard not because it lacks any logic, but because this entire language is a case study in modularity and extensibility at all costs.

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    Yes it is if you understand that “phonetic” is derived from the Phoenician civilization/culture, and that phenoms and phenology naturally derives the ph- sound from the “ph” not the letter “f” just because the Romans were lazy.

    Blame your lack of education, not the Phoenicians!

    Edit: I apologize— I didn’t intend for this to come so removed. I was trying to be sassy and playful, and went overboard. ¯\_(ツ)_/¯

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      Thank you. OP just wants /r points. lol. We give lots of points here. THis is the place where the points don’t matter and nobody wins anything.

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    I don’t even know what “spelled phonetically” is supposed to mean in English. As far as I’m concerned that language is just a jumble of vowels that all sound the same but generate long arguments about how to pronounce things “correctly”.

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        Kind of. The IPA doesn’t show weak forms so non-native speakers can be confused by them if they only ever learned the dictionary way of pronouncing a word.

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          Ah that’s interesting, I didn’t know that.

          Still, the IPA is really helpful when trying to discuss pronunciation with someone who has a very different accent to ourselves.

          As a New Zealander I find some US phonetic spellings baffling.

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      Phonetically means the way it sounds which would be “fonetik”

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    I mean, aren’t we using mostly Latin letters and sounds to spell non-Latin words?

    There’s a phonetic English alphabet out there. Some Scottish poet commissioned it years ago.

    It is named after him. But I am an uncultured swine and can’t remember who it is at the moment.