A new report by UN Special Rapporteur Francesca Albanese shows how Israel has subverted international law to provide a legal cover for genocide.
  • WraithGear@lemmy.worldEnglish
    322·
    3 months ago

    At this point just drop the weasel words and say it plain. It is a genocide by all accounts. Its not going to change anything, but call it like it is already.

        • 【J】【u】【s】【t】【Z】@lemmy.worldEnglish
          427·
          3 months ago

          Lots of reasons but mainly that the high civilian death toll is easily explained by Hamas’s strategy of using human shields and Hamas’s criminal leadership decisions.

          The most shocking and inflammatory “reports” are usually unverified and usually come from incredible or incompetent sources, and that this is readily apparent in virtually every article about the war if you can slow your emotions down and actually evaluate the reported facts. Article from credible journalists usually even say “these reports could not be independently verified.”

          I also find the IDF to be generally credible, usually victims of lies and exaggeration, whereas I find Hamas to have zero credibility whatsoever. I also think it’s completely justified to continue bombing military targets until every member of Hamas is dead, and that if civilians in the area of a military target have been reasonably warned to evacuate, that’s all that morality or international law requires before launching a strike, especially in light of Hamas’s strategy of hiding among willing civilians while also failing to wear uniforms.

          Also the death tolls are going down month over month, and the fact that only 30,000 people are dead in in such a densely populated area of 2.3m people, is a testament to the fact that the warnings mostly work, that the evacuations mostly worked, and that the targeting is mostly very precise. Otherwise, the death toll would be much higher.

          I also view the conflict almost entirely in terms of the posture between Israel and Iran and trying to avoid a broader war that could kill 100,000,000 people, perhaps more. Like what are we talking about here? Human life, human rights? Try on 30,000,000 dead and see how sad that makes everyone.

          Also, I don’t see how giving Hamas a country advances the cause of human rights? Extreme religious autocracies have never once secured human rights for anyone. In fact if you go to Gaza and start talking about securing human rights for people you might get murdered for being an infidel.

          Finally, the handful of legit war crimes committed by Israelis don’t color the entire war for me. Israel actually has a history of prosecuting war criminals, unlike in Gaza where war criminals get a prize from Daddy Hamas.

          • OccamsTeapot@lemmy.worldEnglish
            22·
            3 months ago

            So these are your grounds for saying that it isn’t a genocide?

            • Hamas uses human shields.
            • news reports from a war zone cannot be independently verified
            • the IDF is credible; Hamas is not
            • it is ok to kill civilians provided they were warned to move, because this is “all international law requires” before launching a strike.
            • the rate of new deaths is decreasing
            • 30,000 (mainly innocents, by any estimate) dead is actually quite low. So warnings work and targeting is precise
            • if there was a war with Iran it would be worse
            • Hamas bad

            But how does this relate to the genocide convention? Are you saying there is no intent?

            We can talk about specific points after but I want to understand how this all connects

          • filister@lemmy.worldEnglish
            13·
            3 months ago

            If Israel is not gullible, could you please ELI5 why are they not allowing journalists to enter Gaza?

            Because if they do and you are right they will show the whole world what a moral army Israel has. Right? Do you see the paradox here?

            Weren’t Israel also found guilty to provide adequate humanitarian aid, cut food, electricity, drinking water, telecommunications, found guilty of using dumb and extremely powerful bombs over densely populated areas. Destroyed completely the health facilities in Gaza, along with their infrastructure, people’s home, forced mass displacement of millions of Gazans who by the way up until now are not allowed to return to their homes and induced immense suffering of millions of civilians? Isn’t this collective punishment? What about the reciprocity rule in wars? Do you not find the suffering of regular Palestinians extreme?

            So please use a bit of critical thinking next time before posting something.