• CableMonster
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    One thing that has make me successful is that I have the ability to step out and make decisions and opinions that are almost entirely objective.

    You are right that you can have purpose outside of religions, but typically the purpose is vapid, or in the case of people like antifa, directly harmful.

    And one thing you will find is that most of the “humanistic principles” you desire are based on religion, and the ones that are not tend to be a negative on society.

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      8 months ago

      One thing that has make me successful is that I have the ability to step out and make decisions and opinions that are almost entirely objective.

      That may indeed be true, but you have not done that here.

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        8 months ago

        Or you just dont have that same ability and just cant recognize your own biases.

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          8 months ago

          You have not presented any objective basis for any of your opinions. You have stated a belief that society is somehow failing (I’m paraphrasing from memory) but you haven’t stated or otherwise identified any sort of objective foundation for that belief.

          I have presented an opposing opinion, supported with my subjective foundations, to whit: the advancement of LGBTQ acceptance and reproductive rights. You’ve pointed to some nebulous concepts, and (falsely) declared them objective truths. (Again, paraphrasing).

          You keep claiming the ability to maintain objectivity, but you have not even demonstrated comprehension of the concept.

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            8 months ago

            If you want specifics that is fine, you just have to ask. The main problem that I think is happening is that people dont have any real purpose outside of religion. What they tend to have is beliefs in things that are manufactured problems, or there is no real solution to, or are not problems as all. For example, antifa will burn down cities to fights against racism or something, when of all the problems that we have, racism is pretty small. Or on the other hand the bigger problem is that maybe the majority dont have any purpose at all and will just seek out pleasure, which is society killer.

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              8 months ago

              The main problem that I think is happening is that people dont have any real purpose outside of religion

              That is a subjective opinion. That is your subjective opinion. That is not you separating yourself from your own beliefs. That is not you presenting an objective fact to support your opinion, or taking a broader look at culture. That is you presenting your opinion.

              There’s nothing wrong with developing a subjective opinion, until you claim it is something other than a subjective opinion.

              Do not elevate opinions beyond the mind that created them.

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                8 months ago

                Sure its subjective, but the results of known, so we can make a judgment on their value as purposes.

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                  8 months ago

                  Yes, we certainly can.

                  The main problem that I think is happening is that people dont have any real purpose outside of religion

                  My judgment is that this opinion is a crock. The value I place on it is “worthless drivel”.

                  My judgment and value is, of course, a subjective opinion itself, with no inherent value greater (or lesser) than your own.

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                    8 months ago

                    Of course that is your opinion, you have been trained by the modern atheist types that religion is bad and that when its gone the world will be a better place. That idea is so obviously wrong with just a momentary glace at history.