Thirty-four percent of Americans think violent action against the government is sometimes justified, according to a new poll from The Washington Post and the University of Maryland released days ahead of the one-year anniversary of the insurrection at the US Capitol.
This is the original question
Do you think it is ever justified for citizens to take violent action against the government, or is it never justified?It’s scary that 66% do not think it is sometimes justified. BUT this question was asked with jan 6th in mind. Meaning this question does not fit a general purpose question because the mind of people was tricked into thinking about jan 6th.
If 66% of the people would actually think it was never justified america would have another problem on its long sad list of problems.
I do not know whether it is 66% or not, but would you be shocked if it were a high number? Say, double digit percentages, for instance.
I don’t know if I was shocked.
Yes, after a little bit of thinking I’d be shocked.
There are only two possible ways that a large number of people would say violence (against the government) is never justified. Either people don’t understand the meaning of the word never or they ignore the strong meaning of it or they truly believe violence should never be applied.
The first means people are not enough educated to even answer the question properly which shouldn’t be shocking but still is to me. The second one means there are many people who think violence is never justified which I can understand (but not support) to some degree. But even then, never is a really strong word.
What’s your take on this?
My take is that violence is apparently only justifiable after-the-fact. People are more than willing to look back at some historical event and say “this violence was justified” (and of course, for a few events, even to denounce and say that it wasn’t justified)… but no one seems to be able to tell me what the criteria are that makes it justifiable in a way that I could use to objectively test whether I should become violent now.
I am unsure why. Possibly, they are reluctant to codify such rules for fear authorities would use those rules against them… the authorities can objectively test the circumstances too, know that people are going to become violent soon, and then crack down before they can. Possibly, people are simply too dumb to codify these rules, even if they are codifiable. Or, maybe even all this is subjective bullshit, and no such rules are possible.
As for the original question, I’d guess that up to 20% of the population understands “never”, is using the strong meaning, and thinks it never justifiable (except in hindsight). This is because they value stability far more than they value justice or decency, and they are unrepentant about this.
That’s a really good question. I’m certainly not in the position to answer that one right now. But if you are aware that there might be situations when violence is justified, then the answer “never” is not that appropriate.
(Not speaking of the last election, just to make an example when it is appropriate to use violance) if a government would fake an election, you’d have every right to take over the government violently (a moral right, not a written law). I’m not saying you need to do it, just saying if people chose to do it violently, it could be justified. It doesn’t even depend on the outcome - and any ruler would always deny the appropriateness.