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- antifascism@midwest.social
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- antifascism@midwest.social
cross-posted from: https://midwest.social/post/9997521
To the person from lemm.ee who reported this post as “terrorism” go fuck yourself.
Link for tickets: https://events2022.tpusa.com/events/kyle-rittenhouse-at-kent-state
Locked because I keep getting reports from people arguing. Cool off.
Big “Eh” there. Rittenhouse is no Zimmerman, but the media attention has pretty much ended any chance of a “normal” life for him. He’ll probably make a run for public office in a few years.
He murdered two people, flashed his Republican card, and walked. I’m not saying I admire it, I loathe it/him. I’m just saying a lot of these psychos would love to do what he did and they think he’s a hero, as pathetic as that is.
Murder is the wrong word here. Maybe manslaughter at worst. He’s was a teenager that put himself in the wrong place sure, but after being chased by armed assailants, tripping and falling, yelling for them to back up while one person pointed a fucking gun at him while he was laying on the ground, and then firing after they continued to advance on him… Definitely not murder at that point. Not to mention he then immediately went to the police to turn himself in. He tried to de-escalate, he tried to escape, and he immediately turned himself in to law enforcement after the shooting. Other than electing to be at the wrong place, at the wrong time, he did everything that any reasonable person would do in that situation to defend themselves.
I’m not saying he’s a hero, I’m not saying he was right to be there “defending” property that no one asked him to defend. I’m not saying he did the right thing by showing up to a protest armed with a lethal weapon. I think he a fucking dumbass military cosplayer with a main-character personality complex and a wisdom dump stat, but I don’t think he’s a murderer.
I think it’s murder when you take a gun to a place specifically to oppose a group you hate, then you kill multiple of those said people that you knew before leaving home that you hated.
But I’m just weird like that
I guess Ukrainians are murdering Russians right now?
Seems about right, but your definition is very broad, and definitely would not hold up in a court of law.
How delusional do you need to be to make this correlation? Did Ukraine drive across country lines to participate in another countries conflict?
Are Ukrainians not specifically armed, and going to where the Russian occupiers are?
I’ve seen enough drone drop videos to know that they are indeed killing Russians
I’d hate people that came in to my country and just started shooting missiles at schools and hospitals.
It quite literally fits the “definition” that was posted. Of course it’s absurd, that’s the whole point. The definition the other person was using was broad and vague enough that it dilutes the term to the point where the word no longer conveys useful meaning, yet they still insisted that meaning applied in a very well defined legal sense.
That’s a lot of words for you just making up a straw man. It’s not even remotely an applicable comparison. I have no idea why you would bring it up and it serves no purpose.
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I mean, the other guy literally made up a definition for murder and argued that. It is as strawman as it gets. I just pointed out that the definition they created encompasses clear cut self defense situations. And… That they can’t expect a court of law to hold someone accountable for murder using their made up definition of the term. So either Kyle did murder people, using that made up definition, but the term loses its meaning because the made up definition dilutes it, or Kyle didn’t murder anyone, because the actual definition for murder does not encompass cases of self defense.
I never said I was a lawyer. Bye bad-faither.
Neither did I, and I don’t think anyone would believe it right now if you did.
I’m not the one making up my own definition for murder and then getting mad when other people point out that my definition is very loose, lacks meaningful implications, and encompasses clear-cut defensive situations.
TTFN.
My favorite type of troll. The one going around trying to hold people to legal definitions if it suits them, dismissing any logic not aligned with what a court would say.
Oh, you’re back already? That was fast.
Not trolling. Anyone can freely look up a video of the shooting, and the events leading up to it. Having seen the video first hand, it is clearly a defensive shooting. Secondly, you are accusing someone of murder based on your own loose logic, and pretending that it should have the same implications and stigma as the legal definition, since you previously opined that he “walked” away from legal consequences. In that case, you are a murderer, by my arbitrary out of my ass definition, because you killed your argument.
Yes, it’s justified so it’s self defense.
You should really think about things before you speak.
No shit, of course it’s justified. That’s the whole point.
Then it’s justified homicide… You know … fucking murder with an excuse.
Ya dumb
Yep. That’s the point again. Seems like you really got it.
Ukrainians HAVE been murdering Russians since 2014, tho…
He traveled across state lines with a rifle with intention to shoot someone
Big “eh” there, he willingly stepped into the limelight after he walked, so I can’t blame the media for that one. I would say that at least Zimmerman had the good sense to shit up and fade away, but apparently he’s just super bad on the whole “right wing media” grift and has just floundered in his attempts to turn his vigilante murdering into a meal ticket like Rittenhouse has.
Zimmerman tried to auction off the gun he used to kill Trayvon Martin. When it didn’t get enough money, he took down the auction and then re-ran it to get more after the media attention. Zimmerman didn’t fade away, the GOP stopped throwing attention to him because chasing down an unarmed kid, shooting them, and then claiming you were standing your ground, definitely is murder, and it (should) be indefensible, but you know, “Florida”.
Maybe but for now the caption of that flyer sounds more like a Fox show. Did they ever replace Tivket the twat with anybody?